neatcheeOct 30, 2024

If an employer ever asks you to resign, tell them "no".

There is no benefit to resigning unless you have another job lined up already.

Make them fire you. Get your unemployment benefits. Make sure you are legally protected in case of malfeasance. Resigning undermines all of that.

This message brought to you by AWS telling workers to return to office 5-days-a-week by commuting or relocating, or they should resign.

Again, the answer is "no, you'll have to fire me."

EDIT: To clarify, in most areas "fired" and "let go" are not legally meaningful terms and can be used interchangeably. The important term is "for cause" or not. So don't commit misconduct to get fired. Poor job performance is typically not a "for cause" reason, nor is failure to accept changes like RTO

Show threadYaoi Box BalloonOct 30, 2024

@neatchee This is the rule in most EU countries. If you resign yourself, you're on your own for at least a couple months. If you're fired, you're still financially ok, even if it is entirely your fault.

I suspect maybe something similar across the Anglosphere? No expert but only suspect.

Show threadneatcheeOct 31, 2024
@monsoonrains in the US you're definitely not financially okay if fired, but you do get certain protections, like unemployment benefits (unless fired for misconduct). There are also some cases where you can resign and still qualify if you can effectively show that you were forced to resign to avoid worse consequences (harassment, etc)
Show threadSirena the Miqo’teOct 31, 2024

@neatchee @monsoonrains I remember back when I was much younger, our manager gradually worked her way through firing us all to bring in her own people, but had first cut our hours back. The unemployment benefits ended up being more than my regular pay had been recently.

And yeah she REALLY wanted me to quit. But I'm very stubborn.

Show threadYaoi Box BalloonOct 31, 2024

@aceattveg @neatchee Wow.

It's amazing how management needs to very carefully considering the rules/implications to get rid of people!

Germanys got very good worker protection laws. Yet people try very carefully to oust people and make it seem like they resigned. And younger workers tend to just go with it.

I've sued (and won) my last two employers. But despite all the protections, it was stressful. Now I understand why people don't just whip out their rights/protections. It's tough.

Show threadneatchee
@monsoonrains @aceattveg yeah I've gone after an employer in the US for wrongful termination and got a reasonable settlement, and it was still really stressful. Even had my lawyer on contingency because the case was so strong but decided to settle for the first reasonable offer just to get it over with while still being made whole.
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Show threadYaoi Box BalloonOct 31, 2024

@neatchee @aceattveg Sounds roughly like the German variation.

You basically strike for a conciliatory hearing settlement first and usually get that. Going to full court is rare.

Show threadTim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPEOct 31, 2024

@monsoonrains @neatchee @aceattveg In the UK it's an s111A agreement, assuming the employer isn't stupid enough to let it actually get as far as a tribunal.

But if the employer says "I'll pay you £xxk to resign" and that's more than you'd have got under the s111A (maybe the employer wants to avoid hassle and avoid having to pay your legal costs) then why not take it? Take advice from *someone* first, though, other than some random bod on the internet.