neatcheeOct 30, 2024

If an employer ever asks you to resign, tell them "no".

There is no benefit to resigning unless you have another job lined up already.

Make them fire you. Get your unemployment benefits. Make sure you are legally protected in case of malfeasance. Resigning undermines all of that.

This message brought to you by AWS telling workers to return to office 5-days-a-week by commuting or relocating, or they should resign.

Again, the answer is "no, you'll have to fire me."

EDIT: To clarify, in most areas "fired" and "let go" are not legally meaningful terms and can be used interchangeably. The important term is "for cause" or not. So don't commit misconduct to get fired. Poor job performance is typically not a "for cause" reason, nor is failure to accept changes like RTO

Show threadYaoi Box BalloonOct 30, 2024

@neatchee This is the rule in most EU countries. If you resign yourself, you're on your own for at least a couple months. If you're fired, you're still financially ok, even if it is entirely your fault.

I suspect maybe something similar across the Anglosphere? No expert but only suspect.

Show threadneatcheeOct 31, 2024
@monsoonrains in the US you're definitely not financially okay if fired, but you do get certain protections, like unemployment benefits (unless fired for misconduct). There are also some cases where you can resign and still qualify if you can effectively show that you were forced to resign to avoid worse consequences (harassment, etc)
Show threadSirena the Miqo’teOct 31, 2024

@neatchee @monsoonrains I remember back when I was much younger, our manager gradually worked her way through firing us all to bring in her own people, but had first cut our hours back. The unemployment benefits ended up being more than my regular pay had been recently.

And yeah she REALLY wanted me to quit. But I'm very stubborn.

Show threadYaoi Box BalloonOct 31, 2024

@aceattveg @neatchee Wow.

It's amazing how management needs to very carefully considering the rules/implications to get rid of people!

Germanys got very good worker protection laws. Yet people try very carefully to oust people and make it seem like they resigned. And younger workers tend to just go with it.

I've sued (and won) my last two employers. But despite all the protections, it was stressful. Now I understand why people don't just whip out their rights/protections. It's tough.

Show threadsoloOct 31, 2024

@monsoonrains @aceattveg @neatchee semi related: saw this one video of this guy who what he did was

  • get job at [company]
  • report safety issues to OSHA
  • get fired for it
  • sue for wrongful termination

& he made more than he would have, had he actually worked at the job(s) without being fired & dealing with any of this

Show threadneatchee
@solonovamax @monsoonrains @aceattveg Hah! That's amazing. Not the worst idea I've heard if you have the capital to retain the lawyer
Oct 31, 2024 at 9:49pmWeb
Show threadYaoi Box BalloonOct 31, 2024
@neatchee @solonovamax @aceattveg Ohh, also what's handy in a lot of euro countries: you can get legal insurance.