R. L. Dane 
Ladies and gentlenerds, it is with profound pleasure that I introduce to you,
Mira Delenn Furlan Dane
I don't know how but she already loves me.
It's truly amazing.
I feel guilty for taking up >14 MB on that last toot, but the downscaler on my phone didn't seem to have a batch mode. :(
But then again, I think Ad?min is def' gonna be ok with this one ;)
Amin Hollon 🏳That was the size downloaded (looking at /tmp/tutfile1111111yaddayadda.jpg)
Random aside, why the heck are people still enforcing three-letter extensions? That's so dumb. :P
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mirabilosI'm not a fan of providing retronyms for abbreviations necessitated by crappy operating systems and/or crappy conventions.
It should always be .jpeg, in my book.
And if we’re talking the Unix world the file extensions are basically ignored anyway. It’s only on Windows that it actually matters.
@amin @mirabilos @rl_dane Only on the commandline - in graphical shells, the Unix world uses them for the icons.
It's RISCOS that ignores them pretty much entirely (I think?)...
I need to play with RiscOS.
I need to get a proper three-button (no wheel) mouse, first.
…a mouse with no scroll wheel? Why?
Because #RiscOS uses the second mouse button as the right click.
It's infuriating to try to click the mouse wheel that much.
But then, instead of having a frustrating button arrangement, I'd have a frustrating pointing device.
Sorry, I know that's sacreligious. 😁
You sit down at a desktop. At the desktop is a keyboard, a USB mouse, and a USB-connected trackpoint by itself.
All other things being the same, which one do you reach for?
For me, it's the mouse, hands down.
@rl_dane
Depends on the interface. All things equal, a keyboard is more efficient than a mouse/touchpad because it only has a single point of movement. Mouse and touchpad you move them and they move the mouse pointer: the disconnect makes it less efficient. Touchscreen is as efficient as keyboard but most of our touchscreen UIs are rubbish, so generally I'll choose the keyboard thanks...
@mirabilos @amin
Depends on the interface. All things equal, a keyboard is more efficient than a mouse/touchpad because it only has a single point of movement. Mouse and touchpad you move them and they move the mouse pointer: the disconnect makes it less efficient. Touchscreen is as efficient as keyboard but most of our touchscreen UIs are rubbish, so generally I'll choose the keyboard thanks...
@mirabilos @amin
@rl_dane @mirabilos @amin
TBH, you can see this sort of thing with file management. GUI file managers are only useful when you use them with both mouse AND keyboard! Just mouse leaves you with a UI akin to touchscreen file managers, which are awful. Yet just keyboard and typing "cp * /otherplace" is much faster than even pressing a select all button, then finding a copy action, then navigating to a directory and pasting, etc.!
TBH, you can see this sort of thing with file management. GUI file managers are only useful when you use them with both mouse AND keyboard! Just mouse leaves you with a UI akin to touchscreen file managers, which are awful. Yet just keyboard and typing "cp * /otherplace" is much faster than even pressing a select all button, then finding a copy action, then navigating to a directory and pasting, etc.!
I agree. I find myself using dolphin less and less, but I do find it useful when there are many files present and I want a quick overview, or when I want more clues as to file type (icons!) (although I understand that tools like exa give you some of this)
ls --color gives some clues to filetype too. ;)
Yeah yeah yeah, I'm sure the flags are different on BSDs. ;)
#FreeBSD has ls --color (I think it might be the only --gnu-style flag in any stock BSD utility, lol), but not most of the other BSDs.
There's an lscolor in most ports, and of course, GNU coreutils if you want all that.
Honestly, alias ls=ls -F kinda does the job. ;)
Except when piping ls to something, yes.
This is true.
Which I used to do a ton but don't do as often now that I wrote a wrapper script for the use case.
Also, its easy enough just to do
\ls |whatever
to strip the aliases per-invocation
Except you mustn’t parse ls(1) output anyway.
I know that in my brain, but my heart says it's a quick and easy way to get files in a directory. 😂
Wait why would that be better?
If I were trying to do it properly I'd probably use find.
@rl_dane @amin @ddlyh in IT we know that all uni graduates who haven’t been doing OSS in their spare time are at first totally unsuitable to the job and need to be trained, while those who were self-taught or come from vocational school can be used productively more quickly. This is why my employer never required titles, for example.
Oh, I love cut and use it daily. Easier to remember the syntax than awk, if less powerful. :)
Though I’m self-taught and do OSS in my free time but would still be totally unsuitable. :)
Less about technical ability and more about how rebellious I get whenever I have to code something for someone else instead of myself. It’s why I don’t want a career in tech. ;)
Haelwenn /элвэн/ 
@ddlyh @mirabilos @amin @rl_dane I think the closest I've done to ls+cut is
tar tvf $file | sort -k 5 to sort contents by size, which I'd probably never use outside of a throwaway oneliner.
Kevin Karhan 
@rl_dane @amin @mirabilos @ddlyh
Personally I just do ls -alh but that's just my preference...
@kkarhan
I use ls -lAh, but I think --color defaults to "on" on mine anyway...
@rl_dane @amin @mirabilos
I use ls -lAh, but I think --color defaults to "on" on mine anyway...
@rl_dane @amin @mirabilos
@ddlyh @kkarhan @amin @mirabilos
--color=auto is the best bet. I think it detects whether or not you have a tty and outputs plain text if not (for piping)
@rl_dane @ddlyh @amin @mirabilos AFAICT my terminals & SSH clients seem to automagically output colours...
@kkarhan @ddlyh @amin @mirabilos
Most Linux distros alias ls='ls--color=auto'for you by default. For many years.
Color ls is not a given in other Unixes.
Xenotar@xenotar @kkarhan @ddlyh @amin @mirabilos
Wrong colors for your terminal background, or do you just not like colors in your terminal?
@rl_dane @kkarhan @ddlyh @amin @mirabilos
I don't like the colored output of 'ls', I prefer the monochrome output, the colored one doesn't offer any advantage for me and sometimes it even makes it difficult to read (purple letters on a dark background, for example). But I'm old, I started with monochrome terminals, I shouldn't be taken into account :)
I don't like the colored output of 'ls', I prefer the monochrome output, the colored one doesn't offer any advantage for me and sometimes it even makes it difficult to read (purple letters on a dark background, for example). But I'm old, I started with monochrome terminals, I shouldn't be taken into account :)
@xenotar @rl_dane @ddlyh @amin @mirabilos
I think you still should be taken into account - if only for #accessibility...
I do want to actually account for that in @OS1337 ...
https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/113314177161389536
Kevin Karhan :verified: (@[email protected])
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] makes sense... For example, #toybox's #ls implementation doesn't do #colours...
@xenotar @kkarhan @ddlyh @amin @mirabilos
Honestly, ls -F is good enough most of the time.
I even have some really nice aliases for exa to make the output look like a flippin' graphical file manager, and never used it again after setting it up. 😅
orizuru
@kkarhan @amin @mirabilos @ddlyh
Ah, another bash enjoyer!
I never do -a by default (let that which is to be hidden remain hidden until the right time!), and I use an environment variable to put commas in the file size output so it's always readable, even for terabyte-sized files.