Loops 🍑  

Friends and fellow advocates

"You are comfortable determining your own work and seeking feedback from others
" or "Define your own goals and tasks."

I know that it's unsupportive and exclusionary towards ND (and other) folks to maintain an attitude in the workplace and hiring where these kinds of things are treated as requirements requirements

I'm looking for help in framing that so that others can understand it. It's one of those things that is so intuitive to me that I can't figure out how to explain why it's flying in the face of diversity and being an accommodating workplace, especially when trying to reach those folks whose reaction is "well that's how our place works, so maybe it isn't the right place for those who can't". The ones who don't understand that accommodations means changing the place, not the person 😅

Any insight on reaching that would be greatly appreciated - as would boosts to help me gather more insight 😁

#neurodivergent #NeurodivergentAccessibility #a11y #hiring #recruiter #accessibleWorkplace #ActuallyAutistic #ActuallyADHD #ADHD @actuallyautistic @actuallyadhd

Oct 2, 2024 at 8:56amWeb
Show threadJames EdwardsOct 2, 2024

@loops

I'm struggling to know how to broach this.

Speaking from my own perspective (I have ADHD), I don't think these are unreasonable requirements for a professional job.

But that's just my view, I have no personal insight into the impact for Autism, and I can't claim to speak for ADHD in general.

So my questions would be -- Why is this an issue? What do you suggest? (How could such requirements be mediated for people who need reasonable accommodation?)

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Show threadGoiterzan/Amygdalai LamaOct 2, 2024
@siblingpastry @loops @actuallyautistic @actuallyadhd
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not sure I understand. Are you not getting enough direction?
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Like you’re supposed to be a self starter but they haven’t said at what? Like it’s all, Hey, we don’t have THOSE expectations, but they won’t tell you the expectations they do have, you’re apparently supposed to know, somehow?
Show threadJames EdwardsOct 2, 2024

@punishmenthurts Wouldn't that depend on the job? Given this requirement for example: "Define your own goals and tasks."

If I take a job (as I have lol) creating technical content for a knowledge base, then I largely determine for myself what content needs to be written or updated. That's part of the job.

So if someone else went for that job, but said that they need accommodation for "define your own...", what would that accommodation be?

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Show threadJames EdwardsOct 2, 2024

@punishmenthurts

If I understand you correctly then, the issue is not so much that you're expected to define your own goals, but that there's too much ambiguity over what that actually means in practice?

@loops @actuallyautistic

Show threadGoiterzan/Amygdalai LamaOct 2, 2024
@siblingpastry @loops @actuallyautistic
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yes, this is my guess of what we’re talking about, my only guess. Hoping the OP will be back to clarify. ❤️
Show threadJames EdwardsOct 2, 2024

@punishmenthurts

My thoughts then are that companies should be looking at how they define their expectations. Almost like "autistic consulting" if that's a reasonable term -- an actually autistic person reviewing procedures to point out where the assumptions and ambiguities are, and collaborating to make them more explicit?

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Show threadKelly's Shenanigans 🇨🇦Oct 2, 2024
@loops @actuallyautistic @actuallyadhd it's because while they say "make your own goals" what they really mean is "define goals that meet our unexpressed expectations of you". They don't really mean your own goals, and they'll judge you (and punish you) for following their instructions as stated. What we want is clear instructions. They could improve the requirement with examples and guidelines of what kind of goals they expect, how they should align with the company goals.
Show thread@jacquiharperOct 2, 2024
@loops @actuallyautistic @actuallyadhd I have found myself in one of these roles, and I document my plans pedantically and post them in an accessible location, along with project updates. I invite reviews, which seems to have the opposite effect 🤔 but that way I create my own expectations