qontor
MistyApple. Apple please. You can't use the same short flag for two different things. Apple *please*
vga256@misty π confirmed the same on monterey. that is absolutely a work of art
Sean Eric Fagan
Citty@misty "oops, you added another flag, you are now no longer verifying signatures" is a WILD failure mode
Zimmie@citty @misty This is codesign, a tool for generating code signatures. I donβt think any of the other options would make sense with verifying a signature.
Donβt get me wrong, this is incredibly bad design. I just doubt it could be a security hole like you would normally expect not verifying a signature to be.
Sophie Schmieg
Migrated to @@sophieschmieg @citty @misty Ask your doctor if long options are right for you!
I donβt know if the signature verification can get more verbose. I also donβt ever trust a β-vβ option because it means βinvertβ on destructive commands way too frequently:
> pkill -v firefox
What the user means: Kill all the firefox processes and list the ones you kill, like βrm -vβ.
What the user gets: Okay! Killing everything except Firefox!
Angry Centrist@sophieschmieg @bob_zim @citty @misty The simplistic thing to try is long form (--verify --verbose) to see if it makes any difference...
Frang 
@misty "Think different"
Ruth [βοΈ π©π»βπ»πβπ»π§΅πͺ‘π΅]
The Witch of Crow Briar
bri@misty ahhhhhhhhh
Wolf480pl@misty cursed AF
Mut@misty if someone wants to know what particular progam this is: it's codesign, I have not seen this mentioned yet in the replies
alexwlchan@misty plot twist: when thereβs a full moon, the -v flag prints the version number
Mads Kjeldgaard
Talya (she/her) π³οΈββ§οΈβ‘οΈ
karoshi@misty but can you do a verbose verify with -v -v?
Hamish M (VK3FSB)
Roy #EatTheRich Pardee πΊπΈ
Arty-chan (Cynthia)@misty uh wut?!
vxo@misty .....whoa hold on just a minute HOW
tessie 
@misty whar β
β what tool is this lol
β what tool is this lol
dressupgeekout@misty This problem was solved decades ago with lowercase 'v' and uppercase 'V'...
Mike P@misty "No more confusing flags: Our new command-line interface uses AI to decide what you want to do!"
FoolishOwl
Martin SchrΓΆder πΊπ³@misty This is not a typo in the man page? 
@oneiros Not a typo, much as I wish it was one. Note the actual descriptions - it has to outline what happens in the case of ambiguity.
Shane Celis@misty GANDALF: -v stands alone.
EOMER: No not alone. VERBOOOOOOOSE!!!
(((_SjG_)))
Mike Lynch@misty βin the classic Unix styleβ
thomastc | frozenfractal@misty I'm sure there's a story here, and it probably contains the words "backwards compatibility" and possibly also "oops".
AurΓ©lien GΓ’teau
spv@misty WHY TH EFUCK ISN'T VERIFY A COMMAND INSTEAD
edit: that was a typo but i feel like it fits so imma just roll with it
Pomax@misty I must admit, now I'm just disappointed that there isn't a third `-v` / `--version`
Greg Bell@misty that's haunted AF
Raphael@misty Nah, you're holding it wrong.
/s
Robin Kunde
Internet Rando@misty GNU standards are steaming mad.
waferbaby
cholling@misty One of those is a backwards v.
Aria 
@misty if it makes anybody here feel any better, using Remove-Item or "rm" in windows, you cant just specify "rm -rf", because -rf is unknown, and -f is BOTH -Filter and -Force
alarmed feet operative: kimothy siddon@misty all their UX design went into the GUI, they ran out of good UX for the CLI
guenther@misty is this a backdoor
Brad@misty A lot of careful co-design must have gone into that flag.
Tushar Chauhan
John TimaeusThis is just cursed. Of all the obscurata that I have to teach, I'm glad this isn't one of them.
Professor_StevensI never want to hear another computer person complain to me that lawyers deliberately make documents difficult to understand. I mean, this, this is... this is sufficiently serpentine that it can only be considered a work of the highest art.
groxx@misty slightly off screen:
-v, --version
-v, --version
xyhhx π»@misty fucking heinous
Puppethead@misty That is crazy. Why not just go full "Apple way" and eliminate the short flags, at least for the verify? The 'softwareupdate' command shows the way.
James Tinmouth
*((char *)NULL) = '\0';
cthululemon@misty
Doesnβt seem right that you can even use a shortened flag to request verbosity.
Doesnβt seem right that you can even use a shortened flag to request verbosity.