A few actual facts about Tim Walz as I'm already seeing some misinformation floating around, so a little research was done. Here's what I saw:*

*edit for clarity, the Debbie Downer part in quotes is a post I read attacking Tim Walz, I break down why I disagree with the post piece by piece.

"Not to be a debbie downer but Tim Walz was in the military for 24 years, including during the Iraq war. He called the national guard on protestors following the George Floyd murder. He supports Israel. He's approved an oil pipeline across indigenous lands that break treaties.

It's weird to celebrate a man who goes against all leftist values."

"Tim Walz was in the military for 24 years, including during the Iraq war" - Half True.

Tim Walz was in the military for 24 years. As a member of the national guard. He was never deployed overseas.

The man left the military in May of 2005 in order to run for public office. The unit of the NG he served with, the 125th Field Artillery, weren't mobilised for a deployment order until July of the same year, and people he worked with have come forward to confirm that one of the reasons he left was because he was morally opposed to the war.

Tim Walz never went to Iraq, the man didn't step onto foreign soil as a military man apart from a brief deployment to Italy in 2003 as part of the security forces during Operation Enduring Freedom. The man himself openly says that he never saw direct combat, ever.

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"He called the national guard on protestors following the George Floyd murder" - This is such a gross oversimplification of the role a state governor plays during times of unrest that it's just fully a misrepresentation.

(It's also a misrepresentation of what the National Guard even is, but that's a whole other can of worms.)

Tim Walz didn't make the singular decision to mobilise the national guard. He did not singlehandedly call the national guard. The mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Frey, contacted Walz' office on the evening of the 27th of May to formally request the deployment of the Minnesota National Guard to the city.

This request by the mayor was immediately followed up with a written request by the Minneapolis Police Chief, Medaria Arradondo, who sent it through a couple of hours later.

Once that happened, there was no way for Tim Walz to ignore those requests. He was the governor of a state.

Tim Walz did not dispatch the National Guard to the city until the next evening. His hesitation and delay to call in the Guard even once he was formally requested to do so by the mayor of a city is one of the things he was slammed for, and was a black stain on his tenure as governor.

I'm not defending the actions of the National Guard once they were deployed, not by any means, but I am defending the idea that Tim Walz went all in on savage crackdowns when he verifiably did the opposite. In fact, during the strategising phase of the mobilisation, the governor's office filed numerous requests with the city for a list of defensive priorities, so that the guard would be protecting federal property.

But the actions of the National Guard once they were there, were not in Tim Walz' hands. The governor of a state is not a Commander In Chief like the president is.

(What was up to Tim Walz was his decision to make sure the state's Attorney General led the prosecution during the case against the police officers involved in the George Floyd trial, which resulted in the convictions. This move by Tim Walz was praised by civil rights groups.

I'll also point out that his decisions, reforms, and rulings in regards to police brutality were praised by Reverand Al Sharpton of the National Action Network, who said; "We don't want a guy who's wildly radical -- we want someone with an open mind, he has shown that with how he addressed police brutality in his own state,"

And also by Jotaka Eaddy, the founder of Win With Black Women, who said "Governor Walz’s tenure has also been marked by his steadfast commitment to advancing social justice and protecting vulnerable communities and communities of color.")

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"He Supports Israel" - True, completely true. But I hate to break this to you; every single institutional "In Crowd" Democrat supports Israel. The Venn Diagram of "Democrats who don't support Israel" and "Democrats who will end up near the White House" has no overlap. I'm sorry. This is not an excuse, and it sucks.

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"He's approved an oil pipeline across indigenous lands that break treaties." - Also entirely true, and indefensible. BUT Regarding indigenous issues, I also want to point out Walz's lieutenant governor is White Earth Nation Ojibwe. If Walz gets elected, she would be the first Native American governor of a US state. Not necessarily an excusing anything, but still.
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I know this is a little out of left field, but here is Walz's speech at a GIS user conference where he talks about how geographic literacy is important and how the state of Minnesota uses GIS to support environmental and social initiatives.

Minnesota's goal is have the lowest rate of child poverty in the nation. They do this with a tax credit. But you can't get a tax credit if you don't file taxes. So they used GIS to pinpoint to the street level where they needed to target filing initiatives, going door to door in some places.

I'm telling you this because it is a lot of work trying to attack big problems from multiple angles, and it's not always going to be as clean and morally pure as people hope. But it is evident Walz is setting the tone for a state that is trying hard to do right by its residents.

There is no such thing as a morally pure politician that can get things done. It is the nature of politics that sometimes you have to compromise. But that's where the bus metaphor comes in. You use politicians to get you closer to where you want to be, instead of not getting on the bus because it's not going on the path you want it to take.

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And finally, "Elbit System, a top international arms manufacturer, who's weapons have been found in Israel, is also located in Tim Walz's state. People have protested for him to divest. Nothing." -

Elbit System isn't located in Minnesota, it's located in Texas, but why let a bit of googling and research get in the way of some good outrage.

They don't list any facilities or operation centers being in Minnesota. I have spent half an hour trying my best to find any evidence of any connection Minnesota has with Elbit System at all, but apart from one single f*cking petition that claims that the Minnesota retirement funds own 10,000 shares of Elbit Systems, but lists no sources for its outrage I can't find anything.

Elbit Systems have operational facilities in Texas, New Hampshire, Alabama, Virginia, and Florida. Their administration offices are in Alabama, Utah, Georgia, Florida, Virginia, and Maryland.

Those are all also currently Republican states, with the only exception being Maryland.

They are a publicly owned company, this is all information you can find with a bit of simple googling.

But again, hey, why let a bit of basic fact checking get in the way of some good outrage.

I know this is sooo long, but you really need to read the whole thing lol

@RickiTarr

Tl;d -- er, hold on, this is good stuff. Thanks for posting it all.

@RickiTarr thank you, ricki. this is EXCELLENT.
@RickiTarr Great read! I will be sharing this. There is no "perfect" candidate but it seems he's done a lot more good than bad which is rare when it comes to politicians.

@RickiTarr

Thank you. I was just having this conversation with a friend yesterday. Nice to have some Actual Facts to bring to bear.

(Yeah, & that whole Dems/Isreal Venn diagram thing—we gotta fix that. Maybe we can get this bus redirected once we get it up & running....)

@cavyherd We definitely need to fix that, No country or any person should be above scrutiny.

@RickiTarr

& also, maybe we can figure out how to knock it tf off with the genocide support & apologia. That would be really neat, too.

(Like with abortion & human rights, it seems like there's far more appetite for real solutions than TPTB would prefer we believe, so that's something to look forward to.)

Walz
1. was in the national guard, not Iraq
2. was required to call the national guard on Minneapolis, and ordered them to only defend federal property
3. probably supports Israel, sorry. No excuses there.
4. approved an oil pipeline on top of indigenous lands, but if he's VP, then Minnesota gets an indigenous lady as governor.
5. Elbit System is in Texas, not Minnesota. You moron. You've been played.
Just giving a shot at summarizing it.

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https://beige.party/@RickiTarr/112932912673349891

At least some of the links to where you can read about what I'm saying, add more if you know them.

Ricki Giuseppe Stromboli Tarr (@[email protected])

@[email protected] Ho Boy I should have thought about this and nearly always forget lol Military is easy: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/tim-walz-military-record/ Pipeline bit: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/minnesota/news/line-3-oil-pipeline/ BLM Protest: https://www.vox.com/2024-elections/365535/tim-walz-minneapolis-burning-riot-george-floyd-minnesota-2020-protest Israel: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/08/07/tim-walz-views-israel-gaza/74685455007/#:~:text=Where%20does%20Walz%20stand%20on,condemned%20attacks%20on%20Palestinian%20civilians. Information on Elbit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbit_Systems GIS Speech: https://mediaspace.esri.com/media/t/1_d2sqkrju

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@RickiTarr first of all, thanks for taking the time to research all of this. secondly, and i fear even asking this because i’m sure it did take quite some time to figure all this out, but as it may help people who don’t have the time or ability, i will. if at all possible, or especially if it’s easy, would you mind posting sources for your findings?

you are welcome to tell me to fuck off and do it myself, and i will do so, please don’t feel obligated to do so based on my request 🙂

@RickiTarr let me also reiterate most strongly, THANK YOU
@sampw @RickiTarr
Since it is faster for you to use the phrases she posted to find the sources than it is for her to read your post and then to make an entirely new long post of links, these type of replies really confuse me.

@GreenFire @RickiTarr i am unfortunately not at home to do so at the moment so that may not be entirely true. she may have those sources easily accessible too, another thing you may have not considered. though if you’re right, i hope she understood that it’s completely okay if she doesn’t fulfill the request as i tried to make it clear that her effort is appreciated already and she need not feel obligated to do so.

hopefully this clears up your confusion.

Tim Walz's military record under scrutiny as he joins Kamala Harris on Democratic ticket

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz's military record has come under renewed scrutiny following Vice President Kamala Harris' announcement of Walz as her running mate.

CBS News

@RickiTarr you are an absolute LEGEND and SAINT! for those of us who are busy or physically / mentally unable, once again THANK YOU 🤘🤘

sheesh! 🔥🔥🔥

@sampw I have try to remember to save sources lol, I get all fired up and it flies out of my brain!
@RickiTarr it’s so understandable. i’m really bad at it too, and of course i always end up needing them. you’ve gone above and beyond though, appreciate cha Ricki!

@RickiTarr
Jeff Ordower, North America director at the environmental nonprofit 350.org, noted that the battle to stop Line 3 started before Walz took office. Ordower said, it’s “very hard to stop construction once it starts.”

In addition to creating thousands of union construction jobs and millions in local construction spending and ongoing additional tax dollars, Enbridge spent well over $450 million project dollars specifically with Tribal nations and local communities.

@RickiTarr It’s my understanding that after people protested the pipeline Walz listened to activists and started shifting to more green policies. His record is far from perfect but he does listen to the people he was elected to serve.
@RickiTarr wait, are you trying to tell me a civil servant with a decades long record did not exclusively make policy decisions I agree with? This is going to take some time to process.
@weyoun6 Yes, this seems to really confuse many people lol

@RickiTarr @Barbramon1 Wow, lot of words, whats your point?

#HarrisWalz2024

@ericschutte @Barbramon1 Did you actually read them?
@RickiTarr @Barbramon1 Hello Ricki, yes but I don't get it. It's confusing for me because it isn't clear what is a quote and what is your comment. That is why I ask what your point is. I think it is a language problem. I see a lot of positive replys so keep up the good work 😊
#harriswalz2024
@ericschutte @Barbramon1 The quote is in quotes
@RickiTarr I got it !! My brain doesn’t process text well when it is this much 😁
@RickiTarr Careful... that's really close to common sense...~~

@RickiTarr The problem with #Disinformation is that that #Counterspeech or #Corrections are pointless.

  • People choose to believe in these not in spite but because they are flagged as #disinfo and because they are #lies.

Arguing against these things makes them "#debateable" and that is the big mistake...

The fallacy that #christofacists and other #reactionary #bigots could be "converted" or "convinced" of being wrong assumes they don't know better and that they are indeed interested in the truth - neither of which is the case.

Same with #TERFs and #Neonazis:

  • One doesn't debate the rights of #marginalized people, but forces those bigots to flee into hiding by all means necessary!!!

#MakeFacistsAfraidAgain includes making #MAGA|ts and the #OrangeTyrant flee to #Russia or face Jailtime for #HighTreason and #Insurrection!

@kkarhan Then don't look at my posts, I believe factual information is still important.

@RickiTarr The goal of shit like this is voter suppression. They can't convince anyone new to vote for them, so their only hope is inducing apathy on our side.

But the truth is that most of the people who would be swayed by stuff like this have never found a Democrat they wanted to vote for in the first place. They vote third party or not at all. There's nothing Harris or Walz could do to reel them in, so there's no point pandering.

@RickiTarr We are choosing between absolute human garbage and people that have served their community their whole lives. The choice is easy.

@RickiTarr

Regarding the unrest in Mpls, I was there during peaceful protests during the daytime.

Once things got out of control at night, mostly fueled by out of the area instigators, there was no choice but to call in the National Guard, of which Mayor Frey was the first to call for that from governor Walz.

Over 500 buildings were burned; homes and businesses from the communities populated by ppl like George Floyd.

I know for a fact there were many more ppl huddling in their homes, terrified by the rioters, and hoping their home/business wasn't the next one to catch fire, than there were rioters/looters.
Children home alone bc their parents were at work are still traumatized to this day.

Ppl were left homeless, had lost their businesses and some stores closed down for good in those areas, making it harder for residents to get goods/services they rely on.

Enacting violence on Innocents is never acceptable.

Walz did the right thing by calling in the National Guard.

@504DR I agree, I don't blame protestors for rioters, but something still had to be done
@RickiTarr @504DR not unlike what happened in London in 2011 when Black people quite rightly protested the fatal shooting of a Black man by the Metropolitan Police, but within days crowds in SE London had split across racial lines and they were all attacking innocent folks businesses and properties (as well as each other!) I know the area well as I was born and grew up there, and the riots just reignited tensions that had been bubbling under the surface for decades (and still exist to this day)

@RickiTarr

Yes, huge difference between protesters and rioters.

Sadly, the worst actions get the quickest results.
Hopefully leaders learn to make necessary changes before situations boil over.

@RickiTarr Urgh, that first one bothers me: the blame for the Iraq War rests solely on George W Bush and his administration.

If there's any one specific thing you expect a soldier to do, it's to follow lawful orders. That's almost literally the entire point of the job. If someone has been serving for decades, and gets the order to go fight - they go and fight.

I vividly remember the anti-war protests in 2003. A common banner was "Support Our Troops - By Bringing Them Home"

24 years of service is commendable, regardless of when he retired. But even if he retired after a combat deployment I'd still say: The Iraq War wasn't HIS fault.
@aaron Right, I hate soldiers getting blamed for the choices of their superiors, I'm not pro war at all, but I have empathy for people who serve our country
@RickiTarr
This election is about democracy. Not about Harris or Walz track record. I suspect there are many out there biting our tongues to keep from stirring things up. Ignorance is bliss for all those joyful democrats.

@RickiTarr extremely disappointing that you claim it's misinformation that he made the decision to send in the national guard, and then say that he made the decision to send in the national guard.

The fact that he waited one day, that mayors requested it, etc none of that changes the fact that he made the decision to send them in or that it was up to him.

It's also extremely fucking cynical for you to quote some Black folks saying that he was good. How about the people involved in the protests? After they were brutalized for protesting a god damn lynching, did they come out and say "oh thank goodness for Walz, he really had our backs?"

I guarantee that they did not. I'm shocked you are trying to sanitize what he did. How dare you say our outrage is unfounded just to make yourself feel better about voting for a politician. That shit is antiblack as fuck and I didn't expect it from you.

@tillshadeisgone It was literally his job, 500 buildings were on fire, I don't believe protestors and rioters are the same thing.

@RickiTarr WHY were they on fire? WHAT were the riots for?

When it comes down to it, WHAT is the job of a governor or VP or president? Defending the rule of capital, and that's what he did. Because that's what he is.

The people and capitalism can't be on the same side. If you're choosing him over the folks resisting the system and participating in an uprising after someone got LYNCHED and they weren't okay with that, that tells me all I need to know about you.

@tillshadeisgone I agree it's not fair and black people have the right to be angry and protest their treatment. I am just saying that when you're in a system you have to work in the system. I'm voting Harris/Walz not because I think it's perfect, it's not, but it's better than the alternative.

@RickiTarr your voting is not the subject of my critique. I do think that if you're going to vote it's doubly important to acknowledge the complicity that comes with that, but I'm not condemning voting writ large.

What I do object to is your post claiming that people who are rightfully calling out Walz for his decision to deploy the national guard are spreading misinformation. That's a straight up lie, it's counterrevolutionary, it's spitting in the face of those who put their bodies on the line in hopes of a better future, and it's also antiblack.

Participating in a capitalist system is something that many of us have to do without our consent. But running for governor, serving in that office, choosing to defend and uphold capital while in that role, and running for VP are choices that Tim Walz made. He didn't have to do any of those things; he chose to. "Well he was the governor so he didn't have a choice" is no excuse. He's not entitled to political office at the expense of the marginalized. That's not how any of this works.

Vote for him if you want to, but claiming people are spreading misinformation about him when they are engaging in legitimate critique is not okay.

@tillshadeisgone I do believe there was some misinformation in the statement, this is what the right is saying, https://nypost.com/2024/08/07/us-news/harris-and-walz-fiddled-as-minneapolis-burned-during-blm-riots/
and part of why I added it. I also think he tried to make it right:

https://thegrio.com/2024/08/07/how-tim-walz-helped-make-it-possible-to-get-justice-for-george-floyd/

How Kamala Harris and Tim Walz fiddled as Minneapolis burned during destructive 2020 BLM riots

As his state’s largest city was engulfed in flames, Gov. Walz held off on mobilizing the Minnesota National Guard for a full 18 hours.

New York Post
@tillshadeisgone @RickiTarr “He didn’t have to do any of those things”? Really? Let the city burn because rioters overtook the protesters, is closer to purity than calling in the NG that was requested by the mayor and the Chief of Police? Not doing so would be a dereliction of duty, a violation of his oath. You want the simplistic, the perfect and the pure, and…
@tillshadeisgone @RickiTarr you won’t get that with anyone, but that doesn’t stop you from painting the whole picture blood red because you have a cause the only cause, so righteous that all who fail your purity must be smeared. You were given, literally, a statement by statement break down of what and why, and yet, you fling more manure because that’s what you do. You prefer trump because that enhances your chances of having a dystopian world to rail at. Get lost.
@tillshadeisgone @RickiTarr You want the fascists in power because that keeps you in power, always waving the bloody shirt, never having to accomplish anything, always sabotaging anyone that tries to resolve issues bigger than you can comprehend. Get a sandwich sign and rant up and down the city blocks. I’m sure you’ll find what you’re looking for.

@Catawu thats a lot of words you wrote but all it looks like to me is "I'm full of shit please ignore me"

will do!

@RickiTarr National Guard (even one not from USA) are usually deployed during riots, protests and also for natural disasters like earthquakes, fires and floods. At least in my country, our variant of National Guard has helped citizens more than military grunts deployed overseas. People don't credit NG's enough for their work. Military usually serves political causes, National Guard usually serves the people directly.
@rejzor Yeah, I think a lot of people thought it was a violent act against protestors when it wasn't