Dear Swifties:

The radical theocratic terrorists that targeted the Taylor Swift concert are functionally the same people that want to destroy Israel.

The ideology is the same. The willingness to kill civilians is the same. The goal is the same.

When you support Hamas, you’re supporting the same people that wanted to assassinate Taylor Swift and her fans.

@briannawu

fuck #hamas (many #palestinians agree)

fuck #netanyahu (many #israelis agree)

the problem:

someone speaks against hamas, and someone else confuses that with speaking against palestinians and supporting netanyahu

or:

someone speaks against netanyahu, and someone else confuses that with speaking against israelis and supporting hamas

but:

some *do* speak against israelis or palestinians

*nobody* can attack palestinians, israelis, #muslims, or #jews

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There’s an inconvenient truth and hole in the argument that Palestinians do not support Hamas @benroyce.

Anticipating some pushback, so saving some time here. If Palestinians cannot govern themselves, then they shouldn’t have a country. If they can, then they have to own their problems.

@briannawu is right here.

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/06/hamas-names-political-leader-yahya-sinwar

Hamas names architect of Oct. 7 attack as new leader

The move anchors Sinwar's status as the top — and perhaps even sole — decision maker in Hamas.

Axios

@rob @briannawu

a people should always govern themselves

period

that there exist parasitical entities like hamas who push mass murder on others as a dynamic for control, is an argument against hamas, *not* against palestinians

i mean, you could use your own logic against israelis with netanyahu

or americans with trump

or russians with putin

or venezuelans with maduro

etc

my point is:

do not confuse the parasite with the people

@benroyce @briannawu

The question is not what people *should* do. The question is, what *is* happening in Palestine? What *was* happening on October 6th in Palestine?

Were the Palestinians ruling themselves or not? And how does one explain these poll results and square it with the future?

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514

Palestinian poll shows a rise in Hamas support and close to 90%

A wartime opinion poll among Palestinians shows a rise in support for Hamas, which appears to have ticked up even in the devastated Gaza Strip. The survey published Wednesday also reflected an overwhelming rejection of Western-backed President Mahmoud Abbas, with nearly 90% saying he must resign. The findings signal more difficulties ahead for the Biden administration’s postwar vision for Gaza. Washington has called for the Palestinian Authority, the West Bank-based autonomy government currently led by Abbas, to eventually assume control of Gaza and run both territories as a precursor to Palestinian statehood. The pollster said that with findings indicating a further erosion of the PA’s legitimacy, the default option for post-war Gaza is likely an open-ended Israeli occupation.

AP News

@benroyce @briannawu

I want to add that I think what is happening in Palestine is a travesty. But if you are going to continuously make war with a stronger neighbor, then…the situation is not going to get better.

And so I ask again - do Palestinians own their aggression *OR* do they not govern themselves? Either answer is not good for a future Palestinian homeland.

@rob @briannawu

Here is the dynamic:

1. A parasite's legitimacy decays

2. Declare war on a perceived enemy

3. Legitimacy replenished, because now the people are fighting for their life

This is true of Hamas

This is true of Netanyahu

This is true of Putin

This is true of Maduro

Etc, etc

Do not buy into this dynamic

Reject the parasite, do not reject the people

@benroyce @briannawu

I keep coming back to this point you are making: Palestinians have no agency and no responsibility for this war.

Sorry, we disagree on this point.

War sucks. Many people get hurt. There might be huge portions of the population that didn’t want the war - especially now. But before the war, that wasn’t the case.

That’s the inconvenient truth.

@rob @benroyce *It doesn't matter* who has "agency" or "responsibility" for this war. This is a red herring.
*Nothing Hamas did justifies war crimes or genocide.*
That's not how international law works.
"What you did to us on October 7 is so heinous that we can use it as justification to do whatever we want to you in return." No, just no.
What Hamas did was heinous. Notwithstanding that, what Israel is doing is more heinous.

@benroyce

I guess I’ll ask you then @jik. What is your position on Native American rights? Why do you hold the rights of 1947 Palestinians so holy but yet ignore the 1867 rights of Native Americans that were made by your own government?

@rob @benroyce Yeah, ok, we're done here. 👋 *plonk*