Dear Swifties:
The radical theocratic terrorists that targeted the Taylor Swift concert are functionally the same people that want to destroy Israel.
The ideology is the same. The willingness to kill civilians is the same. The goal is the same.
When you support Hamas, you’re supporting the same people that wanted to assassinate Taylor Swift and her fans.
fuck #hamas (many #palestinians agree)
fuck #netanyahu (many #israelis agree)
the problem:
someone speaks against hamas, and someone else confuses that with speaking against palestinians and supporting netanyahu
or:
someone speaks against netanyahu, and someone else confuses that with speaking against israelis and supporting hamas
but:
some *do* speak against israelis or palestinians
*nobody* can attack palestinians, israelis, #muslims, or #jews
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There’s an inconvenient truth and hole in the argument that Palestinians do not support Hamas @benroyce.
Anticipating some pushback, so saving some time here. If Palestinians cannot govern themselves, then they shouldn’t have a country. If they can, then they have to own their problems.
@briannawu is right here.
https://www.axios.com/2024/08/06/hamas-names-political-leader-yahya-sinwar
a people should always govern themselves
period
that there exist parasitical entities like hamas who push mass murder on others as a dynamic for control, is an argument against hamas, *not* against palestinians
i mean, you could use your own logic against israelis with netanyahu
or americans with trump
or russians with putin
or venezuelans with maduro
etc
my point is:
do not confuse the parasite with the people
The question is not what people *should* do. The question is, what *is* happening in Palestine? What *was* happening on October 6th in Palestine?
Were the Palestinians ruling themselves or not? And how does one explain these poll results and square it with the future?
A wartime opinion poll among Palestinians shows a rise in support for Hamas, which appears to have ticked up even in the devastated Gaza Strip. The survey published Wednesday also reflected an overwhelming rejection of Western-backed President Mahmoud Abbas, with nearly 90% saying he must resign. The findings signal more difficulties ahead for the Biden administration’s postwar vision for Gaza. Washington has called for the Palestinian Authority, the West Bank-based autonomy government currently led by Abbas, to eventually assume control of Gaza and run both territories as a precursor to Palestinian statehood. The pollster said that with findings indicating a further erosion of the PA’s legitimacy, the default option for post-war Gaza is likely an open-ended Israeli occupation.
I want to add that I think what is happening in Palestine is a travesty. But if you are going to continuously make war with a stronger neighbor, then…the situation is not going to get better.
And so I ask again - do Palestinians own their aggression *OR* do they not govern themselves? Either answer is not good for a future Palestinian homeland.
Here is the dynamic:
1. A parasite's legitimacy decays
2. Declare war on a perceived enemy
3. Legitimacy replenished, because now the people are fighting for their life
This is true of Hamas
This is true of Netanyahu
This is true of Putin
This is true of Maduro
Etc, etc
Do not buy into this dynamic
Reject the parasite, do not reject the people
I keep coming back to this point you are making: Palestinians have no agency and no responsibility for this war.
Sorry, we disagree on this point.
War sucks. Many people get hurt. There might be huge portions of the population that didn’t want the war - especially now. But before the war, that wasn’t the case.
That’s the inconvenient truth.
My friend, if an occupying military force turns a city into an open air prison and slowly murders the inhabitants, no matter in what country, or what caste, they will create a resistance army, that is human nature.
You can call them terrorists, rebels, self defense militia, resistance, that just depends on your own perspective. Israel is too deluded with "superiority" to see that.
*I am NOT saying violence against civilians is OK.
@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @benroyce @briannawu
So you are defending October 7 and violence?
Have you been to the West Bank? I do not think your characterization of pre-October 7 West Bank is accurate.
And in terms of the inevitability of war - then you are saying this is what Palestinians chose and I say, “Ok. Now you own it.”
@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @benroyce @briannawu
And I would add, Jack, that you are kind of a war monger. That isn’t a good look.
You seem to be incapable of seeing a different perspective, other than your own narrow biased viewpoint. And you apear to have no knowledge of Palestine prior to Oct 7th 2023.
For your information, I don't support or condone violence and I don't support illegal occupations. You seem fine with it however, as long as it is done by "your" side
@rob @benroyce @briannawu
You seem to be incapable of seeing a different perspective, other than your own narrow biased viewpoint. And you apear to have no knowledge of Palestine prior to Oct 7th 2023.
For your information, I don't support or condone violence and I don't support illegal occupations. You seem fine with it however, as long as it is done by "your" side
The sooner you realize that it’s people like you @Captain_Jack_Sparrow who excuse away violence, are prolonging human misery.
Plus there are people on this thread who claim to boost LGBTQ+ voices. And they ignore the way these people are treated in Palestine (I’m looking at your @benroyce ).
Shameful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_State_of_Palestine
You are very simple and binary thinking
You seem to be incapable of seeing a different perspective, other than your own narrow biased viewpoint. And you apear to have no knowledge of Palestine prior to Oct 7th 2023.
For your information, I don't support or condone violence and I don't support illegal occupations. You seem fine with it however, as long as it is done by "your" side
@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @benroyce @briannawu
When I was a child, I was taught the lessons of Martin Luther King and non-violent resistance. And on this thread I seen no evidence of the teachings of MLK.
All I see is the defense, excuses for and promotion of violence. And I don’t think you’re really thinking this through. I find your comments offensive and disgusting and not in line with my values.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @benroyce @briannawu
We have a political climate that seems to have a lot of people who think like you: that violence is the only way to solve a problem. It’s thinking like this that led to January 6th.
It’s thinking like this that diverted aid money to the martyrs fund and tunnels under hospitals. And that cause untold misery for tens of thousands of people.
I take your meaning to be that you wanted children to die. It was inevitable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund
Except I never said those things, and your simple and biased viewpoints and clouding the way you read my post.
If you can't have an adult conversation without resorting to insults, please go elsewhere.
You seem to be incapable of seeing a different perspective, other than your own narrow biased viewpoint. And you apear to have no knowledge of Palestine prior to Oct 7th 2023.
For your information, I don't support or condone violence and I don't support illegal occupations. You seem fine with it however, as long as it is done by "your" side
@Captain_Jack_Sparrow
I’m sorry. Which part of the way gay and lesbians are treated in Palestine or the Martyrs Fund do you think changed after or before October 7?
Which part of your statement about “murder” and the “inevitability” of war did you think repudiated violence?
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