CheRosach
Another lie promulgated by fossil fuel interests is called out
Jul 31, 2024 at 11:20amWeb
Show threadCuilfailJul 31, 2024
@CheRosach OOF!
The argument in the UK leans heavily on the impact on iconic predator species - White tailed and Golden Eagles, Osprey etc. It would be interesting to know the relative impact of #HabitatManagement for 'sporting' estates c/w #WindTurbines #WindTurbinesBirds #Raptor #RaptorPersecution
Show threadAlexander Goeres 𒀯Jul 31, 2024
@CheRosach yes, cats and window glass ... no enemy of renewable energies would ever believe this ... :-)
Show threadGarrett LatimerAug 1, 2024
@CheRosach Reducing light pollution and keeping the murder floof indoors should be fairly straightforward. The former reduces power consumption too, a win-win scenario.
Show threadTryst 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🇮🇪  Aug 1, 2024
@CheRosach Reminds me of https://www.cybersquirrel1.com/
CyberSquirrel1.com

Show threadPaul Wermer, CC BY-NC-SA 4.0Aug 2, 2024

@tryst @CheRosach

Impressive data compilation.
#SquirrelObsessions

Show threadOri! 🔜 EFAug 2, 2024
@CheRosach I'm not an expert on this field, but it was part of my career studies, and although birds nowadays face many different risks, for some species wind turbines are a threat. To my knowledge, mainly slow flying birds (vultures for example), and birds inhabiting steppe like biomes. Appropriate evaluation of the risks is important, given that sadly behind the development of green energy sources lay the same big companies that are feeding on fossil fuels, and their interest are far from the ecosystems' survival.
Show threadAriaflameAug 2, 2024
@ori_mew @CheRosach There is significant research going on to find ways of making the wind turbines less likely to affect birds and bats.
Show threadOri! 🔜 EFAug 2, 2024
@ariaflame @CheRosach oh i didn't know that! That's nice to hear. Do you happen to know anything about the specifics?
Show threadAriaflameAug 2, 2024
@ori_mew @CheRosach Various combinations of radar and visual confirmation to identify birds and slow down the turbines when they get close is one. Others use sound to try and deter them. Others are working on patterns/paint on the blades to make them more obvious.
Show threadOri! 🔜 EFAug 2, 2024
@ariaflame @CheRosach that's all ver interesting and could solve some issues! I believe the sound they make affect nesting areas, but as long as they are settled away from them, these are good news! Thank you for sharing
Show threadAriaflameAug 2, 2024
@ori_mew @CheRosach Generally they don't get built too close to nesting areas.
Show threadOri! 🔜 EFAug 2, 2024
@ariaflame Depends on the quality of the environmental impact evaluation, in my experience in Spain. But I'm talking from projects from almost 10 years ago, so I'm not sure how it is developing currently! I want to agree they don't try to build near those anymore, yeah
Show threadPeter HAug 6, 2024

@ori_mew @ariaflame Here in my region (Netherlands) there are plans for multiple bigger turbines around a nature reserve where eagles are nesting.

I don't think that's a great idea. Even with measures to protect the birds, when will the turbines run?

Show threadAriaflameAug 6, 2024
@peter_slwk @ori_mew That sounds like a very odd choice of location. Usually they avoid places like that. Although I will note, the bigger the turbines, the slower the blades in a lot of ways, the tips are the issue there.
Show threadTwigAug 2, 2024

@CheRosach I’m all for clean energy, but this infographic has some bias.

Cats and buildings are everywhere people are.

Wind farms are relatively constrained compared to human sprawl. These numbers should be scaled by the deaths per unit of land area so the impact on *specific populations* of birds can be accurately reflected.

I suspect the chance of a bird striking a wind turbine if it lives near a wind farm is much higher than striking a building if it lives near a city.

Show threadTwigAug 2, 2024

@CheRosach also, rather than pointing out how harmless wind turbines are to birds, this highlights (once again) how harmful cats are to birds.

We cracked down on stray/wandering dogs in the west long ago. Maybe it’s time to do the same for cats.

Show threadAriaflameAug 2, 2024
@twigmouse @CheRosach It looks like the infographic left out mobile phone towers too, as I remember they are also high on the list.
Show threadJoost van Baal-IlićAug 2, 2024
@CheRosach and what about chicken in slaughterhouses? #somebodyiswrongontheinternet
Show threadStarkRGAug 2, 2024
@CheRosach My favourite is the notion that wind turbines are ugly. Even if they don't think they're at least mildly majestic like I do, they're completely ignoring that the alternative is some form of fossil fuel plant, fed by fossil fuel mines/derricks and possibly processed in refineries.
Show threadKim Spence-Jones 🇬🇧😷Apr 5
@StarkRG @CheRosach
Ah, but fossil fuel mines, processing and burning happen where poor people live, so that’s fine. Wind turbines spoil the view for rich people. 😜
Show threadStarkRGApr 5
@KimSJ @CheRosach I dunno, the oil platforms just off shore in places like LA definitely spoil the view. I'd much rather have an offshore wind farm as the view than one of those monstrosities.
Show threadJonathan SchofieldApr 5

@KimSJ @StarkRG @CheRosach

I too like wind turbines but capitalism produces lots of sleek things that look good at the usage end.

This chart is *just for the infrastructure* and obviously the relentless throughput of coal and gas to be burned is *staggeringly awful*.

Nonetheless, the inputs of rebuildables are much more mining intensive per TW of infrastructure. And the mining to materials pipeline is overwhelmingly fossil-fuel powered

https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2024/08/mm-11-renewable-salvation/

Show threadJonathan SchofieldApr 5

@KimSJ @StarkRG @CheRosach

The reason that steel is so cheap to make wind power cheap, and the reason that silicon metal is cheap to make PV cheap (or at least have been cheap until the Persian Gulf fustercluck) is largely because China emitted over 240 billion tonnes of CO2e over 30 years to build out the processing infrastructure

Show threadStarkRGApr 5
@urlyman @KimSJ @CheRosach Looking at the cost of the infrastructure without factoring in the cost of the fuel and maintenance and the usable lifetime makes such a comparison fairly pointless. A better metric would be a total cost per unit energy normalised across the lifespan of the infrastructure *including* the cost of dealing with the waste (and, no, just dumping it into the atmosphere or ocean or whatever doesn't count, that's not dealing with it, that's abdicating responsibility).
Show threadJonathan SchofieldApr 5

@StarkRG @KimSJ @CheRosach

I’m not anti-renewables. I think they’re a vital path down the resource consumption ladder. They buy us time to culturally adapt.

I’m not suggesting that the chart above is *the lens* through which to see the ‘true picture’.

I’m just highlighting that the picture is wickedly complex and if we only fixate on the installed final thing, we wrongly calibrate what we need to do

https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/116324851873215519

Show threadStarkRGApr 5
@urlyman @KimSJ @CheRosach I think it goes without saying that it's complex. I don't see what useful information that chat provides. Its comparing extremely disparate things. "Apples and oranges" is the usual simile, but it's more like comparing cake and spaghetti and only looking at the cheese content.
Show threadJonathan SchofieldApr 5

@StarkRG @KimSJ @CheRosach

That’s an absurd parallel to draw. Good luck

Show threadsix_grandfathers_mountainApr 5

@StarkRG @CheRosach

#fossilfuel #windenergy

@KimSJ
Thx 4 orig StarkRG boost

Show threadBreatheAug 2, 2024
@CheRosach can birds get windmill cancer?😂
Show threadAmy Aug 2, 2024
@CheRosach Outdoor and feral cats is such a huge danger, I hate that outdoor catowners just let them out 🥲
Show threadHugs4friends ♾🇺🇦 🇵🇸😷Apr 5
@CheRosach Still true. Numbers may vary.