Solarbird 
Yes, we've had _one_ Megamap, but what about ULTRA Megamap?
#BikeMap #BikeTooter #SnohomishCounty #MountlakeTerrace #Edmonds #Lynnwood #Everett #Seattle #Northshore #Seattle
I do have a point with this and it's that filling in northshore / northwest King County lets you connect a LOT of maps together and that _kinda matters_.
In social media terms, it's called the "network effect." But yes, it also applies to maps - and biking.
#BikeMap #BikeTooter #SnohomishCounty #MountlakeTerrace #Edmonds #Lynnwood #Everett #Seattle #Northshore #Seattle
However after doing some investigation I am extremely unimpressed by Community Transit's classification system _and_ the things they choose to classify as "Bike lanes or shoulder" because 1) wow that is not a grouping you should make and 2) they are including sidewalks as shoulders and that's not cool either.
I might drop a "Version 0.1 EXPERIMENTAL" of this and might not.
And I might just grab like 5-6cm of southern Snohomish and add it to the top of Greater Northshore and/or MEGAMAP, and plot my own damn infrastructure using my own legend instead.
Because I think it's valid and important to show that you _can_ get to places in Snohomish County.
But a lot of these line markers are _bullshit_. They're more about speed limits that infrastructure at best, and they make no division between "an actual attempt" and "yeah there's a parking strip" and I'm not here for that.
My map tells you what's there.
Community Transit's map says "here's where you should look to see what might be here, but also might not."
Here's what I mean. Check out this shit. Same marking, but in one place, there are bike lanes, on the other, FUCKING NOTHING except a weak-ass sidewalk.
That's _bad mapmaking_.
And I didn't even bother mentioning that the thin gold line east of Aurora includes a section which is LITERALLY IMPASSIBLE TO BIKES on the Snohomish County side. Absolutely impassible. (Well, unless you feel like biking on a four-lane highway that has a complex multi-crossing intersection as it diverges north.) WHY IS THAT ON THE MAP?
ALSO also: that green stripe between Shoreline Interurban Trailhead and Interurban North?
That's a short section of sharerow followed by honestly decent bike lanes.
WHICH ISN'T WHAT GREEN MEANS IN THEIR OWN LEGEND.
Green bar means "Biking / walking trail," not "sharerow and bike lanes."
Anybody up there want to get on Community Transit about all this because holy crow I don't think I can use this as much as I honestly do kinda want to.
This is the thing I was calling impassible. If you're on the Snohomish County side of this line, you're on the north, which is up in this image.
yeah. that's bikeable.
OKAY FINE I'LL MAKE MY OWN MAP
WITH SNOGIS
AND SCREENCAPS
AND BEING FASTER THAN THEIR MASKING SOFTWARE THAT TRIES TO SCREW UP MY SCREENCAPS
Kurrikage 
@moira Oh this old intersection nearby.
@kurrikage I really wanted to use a Snohomish County map! I _really did_! At least the bottom, idk, mile or two of it to form a connector area.
But this thing is _so bad_ holy shit.
Martin, Regulus Tithonium@moira it's barely drivable safely, if we're being honest.
Geoff Duncan@tithonium @moira
Concur. I have to go through that intersection (in a car) a couple times a month and I've always wondered why it is it's own strange flavor of batsh*t. I recall someone pondering it was to do with backups for the ferry but, to me that seems like an alternate universe theory.
Concur. I have to go through that intersection (in a car) a couple times a month and I've always wondered why it is it's own strange flavor of batsh*t. I recall someone pondering it was to do with backups for the ferry but, to me that seems like an alternate universe theory.
@geoffduncan @tithonium I think it likely has more to do with the _stopped_ freewayisation of Seattle and environs in the late 1960s and early 1970s. I suspect but do not know that it had something to do with that.
See also the old "ramps to nowhere" on SR520, the weird freeway-like state of Holman Road, and so on. Holman Road was going to fork off to the _West_ Seattle Freeway, 25th Ave NE was going to be part of the _East_ Seattle Freeway, NE 50th Street was going to be a freeway-style interconnector and there were going to be such connectors every couple of miles.
It was an obscenity of a plan.
@moira @tithonium
The "freewayisation" idea has a lot of logic to it—certainly Aurura/Pacific Highway and Edmonds Way exchange is out of that playbook. Could explain some of the strangeness of Ballinger & Roosevelt, maybe Westminster as well.
The "freewayisation" idea has a lot of logic to it—certainly Aurura/Pacific Highway and Edmonds Way exchange is out of that playbook. Could explain some of the strangeness of Ballinger & Roosevelt, maybe Westminster as well.
@geoffduncan @tithonium Aurora originally was an earlier attempt at making freeways before people knew how!
No, really! That's why all the original on-ramps were right-angle to the freeway with stop signs at the end. Seattle driving courses taught "go to the end of the ramp, stop, and then merge" until the _1960s_, and through at least the 1990s you had people doing that occasionally on ramps onto modern freeways like I-5, I-90, and SR-520.
Originally the Spokane Street Viaduct was that way too.
Most are gone now of course, but there are still a few lurking about with restricted street access to them, like at N 46th St.
@geoffduncan @tithonium This on-ramp was originally a ramp up that ended in a T-intersection with a stop sign. I remember them rebuilding it. Pretty sure there used to be a second one and they just took that one out.
@geoffduncan @tithonium Anyway they were incredibly terrible and yet I kind of love them. :D
@moira @tithonium
Yep: I'm (sadly) old enough to remember right-angle onramps with stop signs. We didn't have any where I grew up (too small a city) but I saw them when my parents did road trips. Of course, in those days two-door coupes were 20-feet long and we thought ourselves very ahead of the curve because most of our vehicles were new enough to have seatbelts. One even had a *shoulder* belt.
Yep: I'm (sadly) old enough to remember right-angle onramps with stop signs. We didn't have any where I grew up (too small a city) but I saw them when my parents did road trips. Of course, in those days two-door coupes were 20-feet long and we thought ourselves very ahead of the curve because most of our vehicles were new enough to have seatbelts. One even had a *shoulder* belt.
The Evil Microwizard@moira Makes me think of this: https://youtu.be/gqRdT8m1Suo
