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Next week is WWDC, so it's a good time for a thread about the 1Password browser extension for Safari, its history, challenges, and the future — both what we're working on and what we'd like to see from Apple, Safari and the web platform at large. 🧵

Mitch Cohen Jun 3, 2024

You might not know that 1Password Safari extension has been through five (!) rewrites over about a decade, with each incarnation adopting the latest supported framework:

2009: Swizzling Safari 😱
2011: Safari Extension
2017: Safari App Extension (SAE)
2020: Safari Web Extension (SWE)
2021: Safari Web Extension for iOS

(If you've never heard of swizzling, picture injecting Objective-C into Safari at runtime to implement autofill by overriding methods. It was as great/terrible as that sounds.)

Mitch Cohen Jun 3, 2024

Safari extensions used to trail far behind other browsers. In fact 1Password did not have anything close to feature parity in Safari until just a few years ago.

Everything changed when Apple adopted the Web Extension API at WWDC 2020 — the same one used by Chrome and Firefox. And a year later, Apple brought extensions to iOS.

We were *ecstatic*. We jumped at the opportunity to bring 1Password to Mobile Safari, redesigning every component in just under three months.

https://blog.1password.com/1password-for-safari/

1Password for Safari is here for iOS 15, and it's life-changing | 1Password

Everything you love about 1Password is now available in Safari on iPhone and iPad. And it’s as incredible as you could possibly imagine.

1Password Blog

Mitch Cohen Jun 3, 2024

Each new Safari extension framework meant better compatibility, stronger security, and more features. But there were also growing pains. The SAE and SWE frameworks had much larger surface areas, more bugs, and new and different restrictions.

These kinds of obstacles crop up with any new API. But the issues in more recent frameworks had especially harsh consequences for a critical aspect of 1Password usability: the ability to be — and stay — unlocked.

Mitch Cohen Jun 3, 2024

1Password faces a unique challenge in the web browser: your data needs to be locked (encrypted) when it's not in use, and your unlock keys need to be kept safe from attackers — never cached or exposed in plain text.

Browser extensions do not have any way to securely manage keys. So if you want to unlock 1Password in a web browser, there's really only one good way to do it, and that's with the help of another app outside of the browser — one that can access the secure enclave/keychain.

Mitch Cohen Jun 3, 2024

When you interact with the 1Password browser extension, it sends a message to a native binary asking it to unlock (using biometry if possible) and to provide it with data. If all goes well, you see a prompt to unlock followed by your autofill suggestions.

But if for any reason the connection with the binary can't be established or isn't working as expected, things start to deteriorate. The extension stalls, or locks itself when it shouldn't, or even stops responding completely.

Mitch Cohen Jun 3, 2024

Keeping up a secure connection between a browser extension and a native app is a perennial challenge. It has to be achieved in unique ways for different browsers and operating systems and has been a major area of focus for our teams over my entire decade+ at 1Password.

But if every environment poses unique challenges, the most challenging of all is Safari on iOS. And the second most challenging is Safari on macOS. :)

Mitch Cohen Jun 3, 2024

The difference between Safari and other browsers comes down to a few fundamental issues:

1) Immature implementation of the Web Extension API
2) Extra indirection and instability in the XPC layer
3) Severe restrictions on extension lifecycles and persistence, especially on iOS.

All of these contribute to an experience in Safari that's just not as fast, reliable, or feature complete when compared to the same browser extensions in Chrome and Firefox.

Mitch Cohen Jun 3, 2024

Safari is the latest browser to use the modern Web Extension spec — something all developers are very grateful for — and Apple has made incredible strides to support extensions, especially on mobile. (Looking at you, Google!)

I love being able to use extensions like 1Password, Noir and Open in Apollo (RIP) on my iPhone and iPad.

But it's not fully there yet. There are still missing and incomplete APIs which must be worked around, and others which simply do not work.

https://getnoir.app

Noir – Dark Mode for Safari

Add a dark mode to every website you visit, automatically. Browse better at night with Noir.

Mitch Cohen Jun 3, 2024

An example of an incomplete API is the `onCommited` event which the 1Password extension relies on to implement one of its newest (and coolest!) features: signing in to sites with SSO/social logins. The event is still missing fundamental properties without which this feature cannot work properly. (Radar: FB10006044.)

https://support.1password.com/sign-in-with-provider/

Use 1Password to sign in to sites with supported providers

Let 1Password save, remember, and fill logins in your browser when you sign in to websites with providers like Google or Facebook.

1Password

Mitch Cohen Jun 3, 2024

As for APIs which simply do not work, people report that tapping "Copy" in the iOS Safari extension often does nothing. This is indeed an awful experience — I'm angry at myself whenever someone mentions it. But the truth is, 1Password is calling the clipboard API exactly as it's supposed to. It just doesn't work half the time.

It might seem like we aren't listening, but at the end of the day the fix really does have to come from upstream. (Radar: FB9924270.)

https://mastodon.social/@caseyliss/112526364550291936

Mitch Cohen Jun 3, 2024

The good news is that Safari Web Extensions get more robust and bug-free with each annual update to Safari. Variations of this meme are older than 1Password, but "it will be better in the next iOS/macOS" is usually a safe bet.

Bugs do get fixed, performance improves. I hear the clipboard bug has been addressed in Safari Tech Preview. (Haven't tested yet.) And of course, 1Password has its own bug fixes and improvements to roll out.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/can-somebody-explain-to-me-the-whole-safari-seems-snappier-thing.782883/

Can somebody explain to me the whole "Safari seems snappier" thing?

I apologize if I sound like a newb, but I am. I've noticed a lot of folks saying this whenever mention of a new OS update. Is it a hidden joke or something??? Confused. Thanks.

MacRumors Forums

Mitch Cohen Jun 3, 2024

But better API coverage does not fully address the problems with Safari extensions.

The 1Password extension uses XPC to communicate with a native app. For most desktop browsers, that app is 1Password for Mac, which the extension communicates with directly via native messaging host.

But in Safari, the extension must go through an additional binary before it can even talk to the Mac (or iOS) app. This layer of indirection has unique bugs and imposes costs on performance and reliability.

Mitch Cohen Jun 3, 2024

Complicating this further are the aggressive constraints on lifecycles that exist in both Safari and iOS.

At any time, the helper binary can be shut down by the OS. So can the extension itself. It's relatively common that you will luck out and try to interact with the extension when it's in one of these half-working states. It will do its best to go and *recombobulate* itself, but there are a lot of moving pieces.

Mitch Cohen Jun 3, 2024

More robust extension code can (and does) address some failure states related to XPC and lifecycles, but always at a cost compared to the out-of-the-box experience in other browsers. Ultimately, the helper binary is the weak spot, and when comms break down, so does the extension.

So the question you might be asking is, why rely on a helper binary at all? What if the extension just did all its work within the web context? 🤔

Mitch Cohen Jun 3, 2024

Well, we have started moving in that direction. As of recent updates, the 1Password Safari extension runs most of its logic in WebAssembly (WASM) just like in other browsers.

And the extension *can* run without talking to its helper binary — on Mac at least. You can disable the connection to the Mac app in Settings, putting the extension in standalone mode.

But once you sever this connection, you give up the ability to keep the extension unlocked across sessions. Worse, you give up Touch ID.

Mitch Cohen Jun 3, 2024

Touch ID and Face ID were once just nice conveniences, but today they are basically mandatory for 1Password users on both Mac and iOS. :) And our single biggest bottleneck right now is that there is simply no way for a browser extension to use Touch ID or other forms of biometrics without any external help.

We want to have a better answer for this. That's why we are talking to our colleagues at Apple, Google, and others about bringing a Secure Storage API to the web:

https://github.com/w3c/webextensions/blob/main/proposals/secure-storage.md

webextensions/proposals/secure-storage.md at main · w3c/webextensions

Charter and administrivia for the WebExtensions Community Group (WECG) - w3c/webextensions

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Mitch Cohen Jun 3, 2024

Secure Storage for the web would free the 1Password Safari extension from the need to communicate over a slow, unreliable binary chain. It would virtually eliminate responsiveness issues.

And it would allow all extensions in all browsers (perhaps all web apps) to have access to cryptographic key management, secure enclaves and biometrics. These are critical security and usability features for modern software.

(Personally I would have prioritized this before WebUSB...)
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/WebUSB_API

WebUSB API - Web APIs | MDN

The WebUSB API provides a way to expose non-standard Universal Serial Bus (USB) compatible devices services to the web, to make USB safer and easier to use.

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Mitch Cohen Jun 3, 2024

Secure Storage is our North Star, but we're not just waiting for it to happen. We are constantly updating the Safari extension (when the App Store allows it... whole other topic). We file and track upstream bugs with the browser and platform, and we continue to explore ways to reduce the 1Password extension's overall dependency on XPC and stateful lifecycles.

Mitch Cohen Jun 3, 2024

Next Monday is WWDC — a day which is treated like an annual holiday at 1Password — and we will be watching the keynote, SOTU, and sessions with excitement. I can't wait to see what's coming to Safari, the extension framework, and macOS and iOS.

But the ball is also in Apple's court to keep improving the reliability of their APIs — especially those that power the kinds of deep, cross-application system integrations used by apps like 1Password.

Mitch Cohen Jun 3, 2024

Developers — not platforms — take the blame when their apps and integrations don't work, and it's not a great feeling when we can neither fully fix the problems, fully identify them, nor provide estimates.

But we'll keep plugging away. And if the Safari extension isn't for you, we also make extensions for other browsers, and we support several alternative autofill methods that work great in Safari on both iOS and Mac. Try them out.

/thread

https://support.1password.com/ios-autofill/
https://support.1password.com/mac-universal-autofill/

Use 1Password to save logins and sign in to apps and websites on your iPhone and iPad

Learn how to set up and use Autofill to save usernames, passwords, and passkeys and sign in to apps and websites.

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yopp Jun 3, 2024

@mitchchn does it fix completely broken extension on Mac when Safari Profiles are used?

For last few years my user experience become so much worse to the point that I’m considering not to renew my 1P sub this year and despite all the unimaginable pain that it will take, move my family to something that actually works in Safari :(

Mitch Cohen Jun 3, 2024

Sorry to hear this. Safari Profiles were added to macOS Sonoma last year. We know they confuse the extension and are investigating. Fully addressing this may require changes I talk about in this thread.

As I've suggested to others who've hit the limits of the Safari extension, yo might be happier without it. The Autofill shortcut (Command-\) is a great way to fill on Mac, and the autofill service on iOS works better than ever. Chrome/FF also have profiles that work well with 1Password.

yopp Jun 4, 2024

@mitchchn sadly, regression started before profiles they just made Safari extension unusable :(

I’m too deep in 1P ecosystem: support suggested to use Autofill as well, but this way I can’t use passkeys stored in 1P and I’ve shared some passkeys with my family.

I would love to help as long my sub is honored until this is fixed: nightly/dev/alpha builds, manual testing, debug sessions and so on

Mitch Cohen Jun 4, 2024

There are a bunch of new variables here (passkeys, profiles) and I can't promise they will all work together yet. Some more suggestions in the short term:

1. Disable the Safari extension's integration with the Mac app and see if the extension works better with multiple profiles.
2. Use the 1Password iOS app for passkeys: you can scan the QR code shown in Safari on your Mac.

We are also looking into having the Mac app provide passkeys directly.

Casey Liss Jun 6, 2024

@mitchchn This thread was very interesting, and I'm glad you spent the time.

That said, I stand by my thesis: 1Password has gotten worse and worse for me in the last couple years, in every measurable way. I yearn for the time when 1Password was built for users like me, and not for other corporations.

Roustem Jun 6, 2024

@caseyliss @mitchchn Nostalgia can be great but things weren’t always perfect.

I remember the time when we had a huge number of complaints about 1Password 4 and how it is a huge step back from rock-solid version 3. The support inbox at 10,000+ unanswered emails. The team is burning out because of all the negative feedback.

All this because Apple made a ton of changes in the new version of macOS and it required complete rewrite of 1Password.

Casey Liss Jun 6, 2024

@roustem @mitchchn 100%!

All I know is, 1Password used to be a delight *every time I opened it*.

Now — with 1P8 especially — it's painful nearly every time I open it.

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I'm sure I'm coming across like a world-class asshole, and I am genuinely sorry for that. But I do this because I love[d] 1Password **so. fucking. much.* and I just want it to make me feel that way again.

Josh Rivers Jun 6, 2024

@caseyliss @roustem @mitchchn I understand very well how underlying platform bugs can mess up the experience and I know damn well that 1P8 has a lot of improvements under the hood and new functionality. Platform bugs do not explain, however, how users lost local-only features, were faced with a new, bewildering, broken app UI, a new extension which has widgets and popups and distractions everywhere, and a constant load of marketing messaging saying that every feature and customer *except us* was
priority one. Apple didn’t do that to us here. I love a lot of what 1P is doing, but honestly I’d give it up if I could have a password manager with a straightforward app and a plug-in that performed autofill without choking back.

I know it’s all harder than that and the trade-offs exist and I do give Agilebits a lot of credit (and get pissed at Casey for complaining so much sometimes), but my feelings are hurt by the product state and product direction.

Mitch Cohen Jun 6, 2024

@joshrivers @caseyliss @roustem I know that you and Casey have other criticisms and I'm not dismissing them. But the past three times I've found myself in a thread of people so frustrated on mastodon, it originated with an issue in Safari.

There's little upside in blaming a platform. I'd much prefer to focus on your feedback about things I/we can address directly. When it comes to Safari, I'll share what I know, call attention to longstanding Radars which will help, and offer suggestions.

Josh Rivers Jun 6, 2024

@mitchchn @caseyliss @roustem Thank you, and I don’t like hijacking’s a thread to add negativity. I hoped to express that the issue is only partially technical anymore. Your leadership and community managers need to know that they need something different to happen or the only thing left will be airport ads and exec-level B2B sales. You should be Tailscale, but the buzz is that 1P is Slack by Salesforce.

I want you to succeed.

Mitch Cohen Jun 6, 2024

@joshrivers @caseyliss @roustem Oh Tailscale is a huge inspiration! Their office is down the street in Toronto. We love their tech and devrel and we're learning from both.

I hear you on the trap of coming across as too enterprise-y. It's one reason why I (plus the founders and others) enjoy talking about 1Password more casually on here, as well as on reddit (r/1Password) and in our Slack (sorry :P) for developers. (Join us: https://developer.1password.com/joinslack.)

Slack

Roustem Jun 7, 2024

@joshrivers @mitchchn @caseyliss Love Tailscale! I am also worried about the company, they give away too much for free. Do you know if they reached profitability or at least are breaking even yet?

Casey Liss Jun 7, 2024

@roustem @joshrivers @mitchchn while I will concede that there is not an explicit statement of “we are profitable”, I feel like this is a pretty clear explanation of their business model.

https://tailscale.com/blog/free-plan

(cc @ironicbadger)

How our free plan stays free

TL;DR: Tailscale’s free plan is free because we keep our scaling costs low relative to typical SaaS companies. We care about privacy, so unlike some other freemium models, you and your data are not the product. Rather, increased word-of-mouth from free plans sells the more valuable corporate plans. I know, it sounds too good to be true. Let’s see some details.

Casey Liss Jun 6, 2024

@mitchchn @joshrivers @roustem I absolutely feel for you; these sorts of issues are infuriating for everyone involved — as you explained!

Erlend Jun 7, 2024

@mitchchn @joshrivers @roustem My question is: When people like @caseyliss say that they "used to love 1P and now don't": **Do you understand why?**

Like, I get that you might stand by your choices, and would make them again (for technical and/or economical reasons) - but do you _get_ it? Or do you just think he's wrong, and is looking at the past with rose tinted glasses?

Casey Liss Jun 7, 2024

@havn @mitchchn @joshrivers @roustem while you weren’t asking me, let me just assure you that the responses I’ve gotten since 1P8 launched are:

• You fool our software sucked in the past too!

Or

• But you don’t get it! This helps us bring you new features [that you don’t want and at the cost of usability/reliability]!

Or

• Well, it’s all Apple’s fault anyway

The response I wished for is

• Holy shit help me get how we burned that good will!

Or

• What would make you evangelize 1P again‽

dxzdb Jun 7, 2024

@caseyliss @havn @mitchchn @joshrivers @roustem
I just started trying 1PW8 on one older Mac running Catalina (since it IS supported) - so far Safari 15.6.1 shows the 1PW menu but doesn't provide any fill in functionality.

In stark contrast, I don't find any issues with Firefox on this machine, and the 2FA auto-fill-in worked fine for Github (for example)

I had auto-archived a bunch of passwords on 1PW7 by mistake and I see that 1PW8 warns you before doing that. 👍

Anyone else have specifics?

Mitch Cohen Jun 7, 2024

@dxzdb @caseyliss @havn @joshrivers @roustem the Mac app supports Catalina, but the Safari extension does not — Safari 15 does not support some fundamental features the extension needs to work.

We've documented this: https://support.1password.com/system-requirements/#system-requirements-for-the-1password-browser-extension

Other browsers are fully supported in Catalina, and you can use Command-\ to fill in Safari without the extension, just like in older versions of 1Password.

System requirements for 1Password | 1Password Support

Learn what's required to use 1Password on all your devices.

1Password

dxzdb Jun 7, 2024

@mitchchn @caseyliss @havn @joshrivers @roustem good to know - Thanks!

ldrydenb Jun 7, 2024

@caseyliss @mitchchn @joshrivers @roustem In 30 years of Mac use, 1Password 8 is the only (non-beta) app which I've had to downgrade in order to be able to work effectively. 1P7 has served me well while my and others' complaints about 1P8 have been disregarded and ignored.

To suddenly be seeking sympathy when Apple seems about to sherlock 1Password strikes me as too little, too late.

Andrew Beyer Jun 7, 2024

@caseyliss @havn @mitchchn @joshrivers @roustem

While I understand you're frustrated, Casey, you've also gotten a lot of other responses as well...

Casey Liss Jun 7, 2024

@firebeyer @havn @mitchchn @joshrivers @roustem hahahaha, I have immense respect you dug all that up.

Andrew Beyer Jun 7, 2024

@caseyliss @havn @mitchchn @joshrivers @roustem

I want to emphasize that real people create the products that you so bluntly call "garbage". Your words hold significant weight, and your criticism extends way beyond just 1Password. I feel ashamed when I hear you criticize apps and companies in a bullying manner. And I'm really concerned that your current approach may one day lead to a developer leaving our field (or worse) due to something you say in disdain.

Andrew Beyer Jun 7, 2024

@caseyliss @havn @mitchchn @joshrivers @roustem

I mean I don't even really need to dig far to find them.

Dave Teare Jun 8, 2024

@caseyliss @havn @mitchchn @joshrivers @roustem Ouch. This one really hurt man. 💔 Do you really feel this way? I’ve reached out personally more times than I remember, pushed hard for improvements that you requested, and followed up with you when they were ready. And I know I’m not alone. I guess we can only show you how much we love you; we cannot make you feel loved.

sashk 🇺🇦Jun 8, 2024

@dave @caseyliss @havn @mitchchn @joshrivers @roustem I would agree with Casey here. While previous versions might have been less feature reach, they worked almost flawlessly. V8 doesn’t feel like that. Everywhere I go, it does something differently. Starting with cmd+/ shortcut, which in v8 does something, not like in v7.

sashk 🇺🇦Jun 8, 2024

@dave @caseyliss @havn @mitchchn @joshrivers @roustem While I do appreciate yours and Roustem’s responses and help, it feels like 1Password becomes more enterprisy and less native.

I’m not even started about iOS version, where I now need to make extra steps to do search, or reveal the password, which was a simple task in v7.

Casey Liss Jun 8, 2024

@dave @havn @mitchchn @joshrivers @roustem While I absolutely appreciate what y'all have done, the fact of the matter is that the product is still a pain in ways it never used to be.

I fight so hard for 1Password because I love[d] it so much and I want to love it like I used to again. It genuinely breaks my heart to see something I've adored so much taken away from me.

It's becoming clear that I'm hurting not helping, though, so I'll shut up.

Josh Rivers Jun 8, 2024

@caseyliss @dave @havn @mitchchn @roustem I’m not sure what hurting and helping look like here, but I have appreciated you being loud repeatedly here, Casey. I do think you could be more gentle in a few ways and I feel for the folks making the product when they hear criticism.

But this thread is the best airing of legitimate grievances I have seen for this great product. I supported Agilebits when they went subscription. I supported them when they went Electron. I get that browser extensions keep getting harder. But the user experience of 1P8 is plain worse with many papercuts. If the answer is that it is no longer for us, well…ok. But I don’t think @roustem and the others have actually heard us yet and I am hoping that we will not lose the one third party tool I trust with my accounts.

It is hard to be kind in loud criticism, because one gets pretty angry to get to the point of saying things loudly and anger bleeds through. But criticism can be an act of loyalty and kindness.

Erlend Jun 8, 2024

@mitchchn @joshrivers @roustem Do you have it in you, @caseyliss, to write a blog post? "What would make me love 1Password again" (or something)

And @dave, is this something you would read and give feedback on?

Casey Liss Jun 8, 2024

@dave @havn @mitchchn @joshrivers @roustem As I said to Roustem earlier this week, the reality of the situation is that 1Password isn't really meant for me anymore, which breaks my damn heart, but it's the way y’all have decided to go. And I need to come to terms with that.

Jochie 👨🏻‍💻🏳️‍🌈Jun 8, 2024

@podfeet I won't bother tagging the 1P folks, they've clearly made up their mind about going all-in on SaaS, but venting a little: The loss of local-only (synchronized over Dropbox or something else) vaults is why I'll stick to 1P 6 until I eventually get around to migrating to something else that is NOT SaaS (something like a self-hosted Bitwarden setup).

I would have happily paid for new major versions if they had kept that support, but alas.

Scott Jun 9, 2024

@dave @caseyliss @havn @mitchchn @joshrivers @roustem Just to throw another view in here. I’ve been a 1P user since I met you folks at Macworld 2007 (IIRC). I miss the simplicity of 7. (I still use 7 on my main Mac). Here is the kicker; I don’t *use* the safari extension, at all. Never have other than to capture passwords created by Keychain. I use 1P for a LOT of things, but only in the app.

Keychain is by far the more convenient way to manage website logins (and that’s fine, specialized tools and all).

When there is a disconnect between 1P and something in the browser, I copy/paste it. So many websites can’t properly autofill anyway.

I share a family vault with my partner, I share a number of vaults with members of my non-profit. That’s sharing alone makes the subscription valuable. But web passwords are the lowest priority in those vaults.

It does feel to me that 1P is moving away from all that into more of an enterprise tool and that I may need to find a new solution. I’ve evangelized 1Password for a very long time, but it’s been feeling for a while now (especially since 8) that I am no longer who 1Password is being made for. That would be a shame (and a PITA). I *really* appreciate Agilebits’ relentless focus on security-first and that is frankly the only thing still holding me there.

Erlend Jun 10, 2024

@Scott @caseyliss @joshrivers @roustem Thanks for an interesting reply!
Concretely, which parts of 1Password (8) gives you the feeling of it not being primarily for you?

Mitch Cohen Jun 10, 2024

@Scott @dave @caseyliss @havn @joshrivers @roustem Thank you for sharing, Scott. I like meeting people whose 1Password history goes way back, and Macworld 2007 might be a new record.

Enterprise/SMB is important to us but not our sole focus. Families, developers, journalists, students, are all groups we've invested in during the past ~5 years. We want people using password managers at work and home.

I appreciate your ask for simplicity. Reach out at any time with feedback or feature requests.

Mitch Cohen Jun 7, 2024

@havn @joshrivers @roustem @caseyliss

I see what you're asking, but this isn't the right kind of platform to dig into why anyone feels the way they do. If anything I've said comes across that way then it was unintended.

I've focused on sharing technical information, history and plans, features people might not know about, and tech support (plus filing reported issues and requests) not to ignore or challenge people's feelings but because it's more productive.

Conor Jun 7, 2024

@mitchchn @joshrivers @caseyliss @roustem if you are frustrated now, DO NOT adopt Safari profiles. It made 1P completely unusable. I can be on Personal profile and fill a password then go to Business profile and all UI related to 1P is completely broken. “Open 1Password” it’s very much open. Click on the lock UI in the password field nothing. Menu bar? Won’t fill. Icon in Safari tab bar nothing except a big blue Open 1Password that does nothing. I have a video of this, support said quit 1P often.

@joshrivers @caseyliss @roustem @mitchchn I'd like to just add my agreement that the pop-up for new features or whatever (I don't really know what they are because I will never ever read them) are infuriating. I don't open 1Password to explore and play around with new features. I only ever interact with 1Password when I am in the middle of another task. Whenever you introduce friction into that task it is annoying. I will never ever read any of irritating marketing stuff that is in my way and preventing me from using the app for its one intended purpose.

HerrHerrmann Jun 11, 2024

@ksbex Amen!

Paul Lin Jun 8, 2024

@caseyliss @roustem @mitchchn

I've avoided upgrading to 1P8, and have remained on 1P7, and will continue to do so for as long as possible!