@aral

When the internet goes down forever we’ll all have time to weigh wether we wielded it wisely

@aral I thought I was having local issues. damn
@aral Living a fantasy trope - kill the leader and all the minions fall to the ground. 😬
@aral always has bing.
@aral
Do you know @Mojeek which is genuinely independent. And about as private as you can get.
@tomstoneham @aral @Mojeek reportedly their servers are a bit overloaded right now because of all the people just now finding out about them.
@tomstoneham @aral @Mojeek yeah, but the index is not good at all… I can never find anything
@tournesol @aral @tomstoneham got any examples there so we can look into them?
@Mojeek @aral @tomstoneham I don’t know, just now I searched for "pears project git" and didn’t found found a trace of "github.com/PeARSearch"
PeARS

PeARS (the People's Agent for Reciprocated Search) is a lightweight, decentralized search engine. - PeARS

GitHub

@tournesol @aral @tomstoneham so that page is in the index: https://www.mojeek.com/search?q=site%3Agithub.com+Pearsearch

Mojeek clusters by default (see more results under each host to keep variety on page), with pear being something that's on Git quite a lot it's a difficult match.

Will add it to our feedback board to see if anything is amiss.

@Mojeek @tournesol @aral @tomstoneham Seems to me like something like detecting the "git" keyword and returning results with popular Git hosting sites for it could improve the situation.
@Mojeek
Tried again your service earlier today. I made this search:
https://www.mojeek.com/search?q=spinergie&client=ff_android
I was expecting this result on the first page, if not the first result:
https://www.spinergie.com/
I’m sorry but in this situation I will go back to another service.
@tournesol @aral @tomstoneham
@canard164 @tournesol @aral @tomstoneham looks like a stemming issue, will raise it, thanks
@canard164 @tournesol @aral @tomstoneham from my view spinergie should be on the front page, can I check where you're searching from so I can look into it?

@Mojeek
Tried just now and it’s not working. I am searching from France; is that the information you need?

@tournesol @aral @tomstoneham

@canard164 @tournesol @aral @tomstoneham result 4 repeating your search with the location set to france should be spinergie.com

(it's been raised as the ie is a better match than the y which is up top)

@Mojeek
I set the location to France but it still doesn’t work. spinergie.com is not in the first page.
@tournesol @aral @tomstoneham
@canard164 @tournesol @aral @tomstoneham Is your language set to French? Just to check as there are two different things that are issues here which we're looking to solve 🙏
@Mojeek
OS in French, browser in French, everything in French.
@tournesol @aral @tomstoneham
ah yes, ok, this is very useful for us, thanks

if you're up for it, trying different language boost values with your setup would be interesting to us when it comes to making more general changes to benefit those searching in french

https://www.mojeek.com/search?q=spinergie&lbb=40 should move it to 7th with the site climbing higher the lower the boost is

@Mojeek
Sorry I did not see this message at the time.
The expected result is only displayed on "UK" and "DE" regional boosts, at the 7th position, on my French setup.

@aral

I was wondering about that. Refuse to use google.

@aral Startpage does seem to work fine 🤗
@K4mpfie @aral Because they use Google I think
@uzayran @K4mpfie @aral I can still come from ddg with !sp but already had some outages there too. Maybe to much demand?
@aral startpage.com is google :)
A look at search engines with their own indexes

A cursory review of all the non-metasearch, indexing search engines I have been able to find.

Seirdy’s Home
@aral this is what Metager has to say about it
@aral Things are happening in Europe ... https://openwebsearch.eu/owler/
Owler - Open Web Search – Promoting Europe‘s Independence in Web Search

Open Web Search – Promoting Europe‘s Independence in Web Search
@aral
Oh for the days when Metacrawler did what it said on the tin: rather than having an index of its own, it instead searched everyone else (AltaVista, WebCrawler, InfoSeek, Lycos, HotBot, Excite, Yahoo - probably also a bunch of others I can't remember from the late 1990s) and collated their results...
@aral interesting, nice find. I was just running into this too, assumed it was a problem with my connection. I’m gonna reach out to DDG because I’m most surprised this is a breaking issue for them; I wonder just how much of their search is Bing?
a work in progress stand-alone search engine https://clew.se/
a search engine with only minimal websites https://wiby.me/
you're not going to find a lot with either, but people don't actually need search engines that much anymore. everyone just always visits the same websites, so bookmarks work just fine
Clew

Clew is a web search engine trying to be different from the rest. We are the magic ball of string leading through the internet's labyrinth.

oh, and this search engine also exists https://swisscows.com/en
(also appears to rely on bing)

CC: @[email protected]
Your private and anonymous search engine Swisscows

With our anonymous search engine Swisscows you will find absolute security. No tracking ✓ Search anonymously ✓ Family friendly ✓ at | swisscows.com

@Haijo7 @aral

But I don't have bookmarks for things I have not seen.

makes sense, but how often do you visit a website you have not visited before?

CC: @[email protected]

@Haijo7 @aral

Very, very frequently . Maybe I'm doing it wrong....

i guess it just differs from person to person. i don't visit websites i haven't visited before very often

CC: @[email protected]
@aral StartPage still works though ... except maybe for images idk
@aral It looked to me that bing.com was up before the others.
But perhaps that was some sort of fallback site. Because I think it looked simpler than it normally does.
@aral @Faintdreams Kagi will net you a free 100 searches I think. don’t know how it is?
@EVDHmn @aral thanks, I hadn't heard of Kagi before and shall investigate further.

@aral

https://www4.bing.com/
GL🍀..
Found this on bleepingcomputer it’s basic search not sure of ai. Read whatever sorry the others aren’t up night!

Überall ein Haus, überall zu Hause?

Hier in Sri Lanka läuft er, der heutige Star! Die

Bing
@aral I just checked it is still happening! I was trying to search something from my laptop ~30 min ago and I almost posted a 🧐
@aral If I'm not wrong these services just handle the client side differently. They probably source results from the same place but minimizes personal data collection and telemetry provided to the corporations running the service.
@aral it's hosted on one of the big cloud providers. What's that got to do with Bing?
Mojeek

Mojeek is a web search engine that provides unbiased, fast, and relevant search results combined with a no tracking privacy policy.

@aral

Kind of ironic, that I see your post, as this morning this is what DuckDucks do:

@gsymon

Yeah, I think that's the reason for the meme. Bing is down, so all those other sites are down too. 😦

@aral