David Ho3°C is a political choice. Future generations will think very poorly of us.
mr brown 
@davidho we must target ppm not temperature
MarkS@markstahl @davidho in fact it changes the cause: the variabile you "can" manipulate to change the effect.
you have not a freezer to cool the planet: you just stop accumulating GHG, and actually you must decrease CO2 concentration to fix the climate
you have not a freezer to cool the planet: you just stop accumulating GHG, and actually you must decrease CO2 concentration to fix the climate
I hear what you're saying but I feel like it kind of misses the point.
The whole point of lowering CO2 is lower the temperature. That's why temperature is the headline number. Anybody trying to save the planet understands targeting CO2 is the best way to do that. Changing how we talk about it won't change the problems we are facing.
@markstahl @davidho that's because you think about how to talk. if think about what to do you would look for some variable to manipulate
Bragg@JMBragg @davidho no, because the problem is by far, very far, the CO2 concentration. you solve the CO2 and fix the climate.
(waiting for the pedantic saying "GHG equivalent is is 25 for methane and 298 for N2O": yeah we know. try to go beyond the obvious)
if you really want to fix it, you put your hands on the physical CO2.
if you want to chat forever and do nothing you escape in the non-scientific metaverse of GHG equivalents, certifications and #greenwashing : that's accounting not science
Kim Spence-Jones 🇬🇧😷@davidho 3°C rise is terrifying. We’re playing Russian roulette with the entire ecosystem. The more we raise the temperature, the more likely we are to run into some as yet unanticipated tipping point.
What on earth can we do to make people see how serious this is?
What on earth can we do to make people see how serious this is?
contranym
Rhinos Worry Me@RhinosWorryMe @davidho Agreed, but what does this mean in practical terms?
What should I do tomorrow that I am not doing today?
What should I do tomorrow that I am not doing today?
Personally I'd advise reading the histories of any other situation where a small(ish) group of people was trying to force a large change that the people in control of a society were opposed to: resistance movements, guerilla groups, asymmetric warfare. Even groups whose aims you don't agree with might have lessons to learn from.
Classic non-violent civil disobedience has its place, but it is definitely not enough.
We are in a war for life, but we're still at the stage where most people don't realise it - they think it's a misunderstanding.
If you want more detail, we need to switch to encrypted channels of communication!
_noelamac_@davidho I‘ve given some thought about how they may call us.
And I think that they will use a name we already give us: „The Consumers“ .
Only that they will mean it in a different way, in the true way. Consumers of the natural world, consumers of other species, consumers of cultures which aren’t consumers, consumers of the future.
In his book Ishmael, Daniel Quinn calls those of our culture Takers.
Scott MatterHungry Ghosts
Blf_tpe@davidho I thought the goal was to have no future generations?
Dgar@davidho
I refuse to take part in the creation of a future generation! ✊
I refuse to take part in the creation of a future generation! ✊
glutto@davidho
Future generations will be asking why we believed a guy who smears orange makeup all over his face.
Future generations will be asking why we believed a guy who smears orange makeup all over his face.
Richard Michael Blaber@davidho @breadandcircuses The survivors of humanity will indeed think very badly of this generation - they will be far fewer in number, & considerably poorer, than us, but I have a nasty suspicion that the available income & wealth will be not much, if at all, equally distributed than it is now.
Tinyrabbit ✅@davidho what ”future generations”?
(Said with humour and sarcasm in an attempt to hide despair)
Toni Aittoniemi@davidho Where are the longtermists now, I might ask? 🤔
Leszek Ciesielski
Brutticus@davidho I wonder what the world that they inhabit will even look like. I know we have made it through genetic bottle necks and changing climates before but I wonder if any thing will emerge on the other side of this.
Shaman@davidho in the end every democracy receives the leadership it deserves. Let's not push off responsibility for the worldwide climate collapse to some political leadership. Start owning the choices we make ... Every Day #OwnIt #Vote #WeAreTheWorld
TurbodemokratHB@davidho
They will curse us.
They will curse us.
Mirko Schenk@davidho Which "future generations"?