inb4_FoundTheVeganEither ya understand why most women pick the đ» or you are the đ».
HossenfefferAlmost 100% of women I know have personal experience of being sexually assaulted or harassed by a man.
0% of women I know have personal experience of being attacked by a bear.
Itâs not hard to understand why women are choosing the bear.
CryophiliaIf women saw as many strange bears every day as they see strange men, there would be a lot more maulings than sexual assaults.
Yeah, itâs not hard to understand: apparently, a large number of women are fuckin stupid.
There are places that have a lot of bears dumbass, most bears are black bears and black bears leave you the fuck alone. And if it decides to fuck you up for whatever reason you donât have to worry bout it raping you too.
If the question was specifically black bears, it would be closer to making sense. But still ridiculous.
The ridiculousness of it you take as women being sexist. If you had half a fucking brain you would realize that the point of the purposefully ridiculous thought experiment is to show that women fear men in a way that you and I, as men, do not see in our own lives. Me and you living life in a prairie with no predators in sight.
Women live in bear country.
Yeah thatâs great and all so maybe just say something reasonable instead of a hyperbolic statement to show whatever. I canât just say âall women are bitchesâ but then clarify that what I meant was just to illustrate blah blah
If the point of you saying something sexist was to make a non-sexist point, you have completely and utterly failed.
Just donât say sexist things.
lady_mariaFor the most part, women arenât saying that all men are dangerous.
Weâre saying that a significant percentage of them areâas established by the fact that the majority of women have experienced sexual harassment and/or assault at least onceâand that âbadâ men and âgoodâ men are often indistinguishable from each other⊠for the first few minutes, hours, days, months, or even years of knowing them.
And then there are the many men who may not actively harass or assault women, but look away and remain silent when they witness their friends doing it. Those men are unsafe, too.
Anyone who perceives this hypothetical situation as âsexistâ is not bothering to actually listen to what women are saying, which tracks. Hit dogs holler.
Just donât say sexist things. I shouldnât have to parse some hidden meaning out from your sexism. Donât say sexist things.
Letâs say i choose being in the woods with a bear over a woman. Does that make me sexist? I personally dont see it. Im not setting a different standard for men or women. Maybe Iâm just gay, or afraid of women. I dont see how itâs sexist if i say, im more afraid of x than y. Therefore, i choose y. Maybe, I have more bad experiences with x, leaving y. Sexism would be to set different standards for the sexes where this question isnât setting different standards for men and women. Itâs pointing out that the already existent standards for men and women and how different they are.
Does that make me sexist?
Yes.
Or particularly stupid about wild animals and how dangerous they are.
I suppose itâs possible that you think bears are just cute cuddly creatures that would never harm anyone, so obviously youâd prefer to be with a bear.
In fact I suspect thatâs behind a lot of pro-Bear answers, at least partially. Sure, some sexism, but also a giant heap of regular old âwhat is the capital of Africaâ style stupidity.
Yeah, where do these dumb broads get off being scared of men? Get assaulted 2 or 3 times, maybe raped a couple, and all of a sudden men are the problem? So super dumb. Women as a species are just stupid, and they have no idea what they feel, so itâs up to us men to tell them how they should feel about us. With violence if necessary. God, itâs good being superior in every possible way to these silly girls.
Where do they get off comparing men to something theyâve never experienced (being alone with a bear)?
Compare apples to oranges then darvo when youâre called out on your misandrist false comparisonâŠ
Youâre being a pedant and intentionally ignoring the message. And men are calling women stupid while pretending to be stupid (or God forbid, actually being stupid). Learn what a metaphor and hyperbole is, and their literary functions. Then realize this isnât about literally spending time in the woods with a bear.
The words are the message. Women do not get a pass to insult all men and then say âoh, what I really meant wasâŠâ
No, fuck that. You said what you said, and itâs sexist as hell.
The women said theyâre scared of men. You took it as an insult and became hostile. You are the bear.
Just say youâre scared of men. Thatâs still unreasonable and a little insulting, but understandable. Donât rank us below a wild bear. The bear is what makes men angry.
medgremlinSpeaking as a woman who has been assaulted and harassed on multiple occasions by more than one man, Iâd just interject that bears can at least be pretty predictable. If you donât bother it, it very probably wonât bother you. The men who have assaulted and/or harassed me were people that (I thought) I knew and had been normal up to that point.
This is a hyperbole, and if push comes to shove, I would rather be dropped in a forest with another human⊠but if that human is a man that is a stranger, then Iâm going to have a different kind of guard up than I would for a bear.
TL;DR: Itâs easier to predict animal behavior than human behavior, and the best wonât lie about being a friend before attacking you.
The issue is many women are going âobviously itâs hyperboleâ, âobviously itâs an analogyâ, so maybe donât say shit like that? Itâs insulting.
And then you get some other (mentally ill imo) women saying, no, I would literally rather be mauled by a bear than have to exist around a male stranger.
Maybe youâre just dense? It seems pretty damn obvious if you can read between the lines. It seems to me that you donât like that you dont understand, so youâre blaming it on everyone else. Dont blame me that you arenât picking up what others are putting down
The point isnt the bear.
The point is absolutely the bear. Without the bear, itâs a reasonable statement. With the bear (or any other animal) itâs an insult.
Feeling insulted is a red flag dude. Thatâs an aggressive response to something that doesnât actually affect you negatively if you arenât a threat. If you are good, your actions will demonstrate this, and women wonât feel so threatened.
Are you insulted when a kitten is wary of you? And hides under the couch because you might hurt her? Do you blame the kitten for running from your imposing stature and booming voice? If a kitten was abused before making it to you, do you hold it against the kitten? Or do you nurture her and show her that you are a friend and that you have no intention of ever hurting her? People need to feel safe the same way a kitten does. This is not a bad thing.
Are you saying women have the intelligence of a kitten?
Do you seriously lack this much reading comprehension, or are you just pretending to be daft?
I dunno, I just like to hope women are smart enough to be rational.
A significant portion of women have either been sexually assaulted or harassed. Being wary of men (especially strange men in the hypothetical vulnerable situation) makes perfect rational sense.
No, actually, thatâs not rational at all. Thatâs textbook irrationality. Thatâs feelings, not thought.
Emotions are inherently irrational. Deal with it.
Trauma is inherently irrational.
Youâre cherry-picking the part of the paragraph that you think makes the other argument seem absurd.
If anyone hereâs the irrational one, itâs you.
So youâre saying women are too stupid to act rationally? Come on, man. Women are intelligent people. They donât get a pass if they do something stupid, theyâre not helpless kittens, they have agency. They are not slaves to emotion.
Wow, cryophilia that might be the most dishonest argument Iâve seen. It certainly is the worst one i can think of. Read a whole post before responding, Oh intelligent and rational one.
So like, do you think women are too stupid to act rationally? Or no?
So, what youâre saying is itâs not sexist for women to say theyâre afraid of men, and if you are that means youâre a dangerous sort of man. And of course the fear is acceptable because statistics say men are more likely to do violence than women, justifying that itâs not sexist - just statistics.
Now as a hypothetical, imagine white folks looking at FBI violent crime stats (UCR Table 43 if youâre curious) and saying theyâre afraid of blacks. You can see how thatâs racist, right? Even though statistics say black folks are more likely to assault, rape or kill you than white folks? Still racist, right? Should black folks be upset or insulted by the white folks in this hypothetical, and if they are does that make them part of the problem?
I keep seeing this like itâs some sort of gotcha. It isnât.
Disregarding the fact that the power dynamics are reversedâŠactually, no, never mind. Black violence is systemically perpetuated by a malicious and powerful group of people who thought it was okay to own people like property and still struggle to see black people as human. We are put in prisons, shot, and killed over these systemically enforced biases that we continually struggle to escape from. This issue is political because my very existence in this country is political, and it has to be tackled from many different directions to overcome due to its influence going back generations and being rooted in actual evil.
Women are scared of men because men have been scaring them all throughout history. Matriarchies are significantly more rare than patriarchies, because men have historically been dicks and lust for power. They also have historically been slaves to lust, and regularly take advantage of woman to sate their lust. In both examples, men and women are animals subservient to a dominant power.
That said, what do you think my response is to a misinformed white human who thinks Iâm a dangerous criminal based only on the color of my skin?
I prove them wrong.
Your rabid misogyny is showing. Maybe stop foaming at the mouth?
Logic = misogyny
WowâŠlol
Ok Iâll bite. How many bears have you been alone with??? None? Iâm shocked at your bad faith ad hominem attacksâŠwait noâŠno Iâm not.
CileTheSaneLogic = misogyny
No,
a large number of women are fuckin stupid.
= Misogyny.
Itâs really not hard to spot when itâs that obvious.
Thatâs just facts. Look at the responses. âIâve never been attacked by a bearâ yeah and youâve never fallen off a 40 story building, would you jump rather than take your chances with a stranger?
All the responses Iâm seeing so far are either misandrist or stupid. âIâve never been mauled by a bearâ is stupid. âAll men are potential rapistsâ is misandry.
âAll men are potential rapistsâ is misandry.
Which really demonstrates your inability to listen to what people are saying, as no one has said that.
Is it or is it not stupid as hell to prefer the bear?
Considering youâve been so level headed and reasonable to interact withâŠ
Which really demonstrates your inability to listen to what people are saying, as no one has said that.
âAll men are potential rapistsâ was literally the point of a couple of âfeminist art projectsâ at colleges when I was a teenager. One literally made and distributed a list of âpotential rapistsâ that was just a list of all the male students (if I recall this was at University of Maryland in the early 90s), another made up literal wanted posters with photos of randomly selected male students labeling them âpotential rapistâ. Those were neither the first nor the last people to assert that or something very similar.
There have been various other bits along these lines over the years. Even if the bear thing isnât about that (and Iâd argue that if the same thing were pulled but targeting a group thatâs not an acceptable target, the bigotry would be obvious), itâs definitely a thing thatâs been part of the discourse and invoked often enough and for long enough that itâs certainly in mind in reaction to it.
The bear thing is misandry in more or less exactly the same way the Pence Rule is misogyny.
at colleges when I was a teenager.
So not the topic of this thread or what anyone here is talking about.
Or did I miss the point when the subject changed from ârecent memeâ to âproject Schadarach saw as a teenagerâ?
Boy, I wonder if misandry causes more misognyâŠ
Holy shit, man just said she deserves it. What the fuck?
This would be a great topic to bring up in therapy.
Look, a rare upvoted satansmaggotycumfart post.
Most bears would prefer to be left alone⊠Or fed stale donuts and marshmallows if you have any.
Most men too