inb4_FoundTheVeganEither ya understand why most women pick the š» or you are the š».
HossenfefferAlmost 100% of women I know have personal experience of being sexually assaulted or harassed by a man.
0% of women I know have personal experience of being attacked by a bear.
Itās not hard to understand why women are choosing the bear.
CryophiliaIf women saw as many strange bears every day as they see strange men, there would be a lot more maulings than sexual assaults.
Yeah, itās not hard to understand: apparently, a large number of women are fuckin stupid.
There are places that have a lot of bears dumbass, most bears are black bears and black bears leave you the fuck alone. And if it decides to fuck you up for whatever reason you donāt have to worry bout it raping you too.
If the question was specifically black bears, it would be closer to making sense. But still ridiculous.
The ridiculousness of it you take as women being sexist. If you had half a fucking brain you would realize that the point of the purposefully ridiculous thought experiment is to show that women fear men in a way that you and I, as men, do not see in our own lives. Me and you living life in a prairie with no predators in sight.
Women live in bear country.
Yeah thatās great and all so maybe just say something reasonable instead of a hyperbolic statement to show whatever. I canāt just say āall women are bitchesā but then clarify that what I meant was just to illustrate blah blah
If the point of you saying something sexist was to make a non-sexist point, you have completely and utterly failed.
Just donāt say sexist things.
lady_mariaFor the most part, women arenāt saying that all men are dangerous.
Weāre saying that a significant percentage of them areāas established by the fact that the majority of women have experienced sexual harassment and/or assault at least onceāand that ābadā men and āgoodā men are often indistinguishable from each otherā¦ for the first few minutes, hours, days, months, or even years of knowing them.
And then there are the many men who may not actively harass or assault women, but look away and remain silent when they witness their friends doing it. Those men are unsafe, too.
Anyone who perceives this hypothetical situation as āsexistā is not bothering to actually listen to what women are saying, which tracks. Hit dogs holler.
Just donāt say sexist things. I shouldnāt have to parse some hidden meaning out from your sexism. Donāt say sexist things.
Letās say i choose being in the woods with a bear over a woman. Does that make me sexist? I personally dont see it. Im not setting a different standard for men or women. Maybe Iām just gay, or afraid of women. I dont see how itās sexist if i say, im more afraid of x than y. Therefore, i choose y. Maybe, I have more bad experiences with x, leaving y. Sexism would be to set different standards for the sexes where this question isnāt setting different standards for men and women. Itās pointing out that the already existent standards for men and women and how different they are.
Does that make me sexist?
Yes.
Or particularly stupid about wild animals and how dangerous they are.
I suppose itās possible that you think bears are just cute cuddly creatures that would never harm anyone, so obviously youād prefer to be with a bear.
In fact I suspect thatās behind a lot of pro-Bear answers, at least partially. Sure, some sexism, but also a giant heap of regular old āwhat is the capital of Africaā style stupidity.
Yeah, where do these dumb broads get off being scared of men? Get assaulted 2 or 3 times, maybe raped a couple, and all of a sudden men are the problem? So super dumb. Women as a species are just stupid, and they have no idea what they feel, so itās up to us men to tell them how they should feel about us. With violence if necessary. God, itās good being superior in every possible way to these silly girls.
Where do they get off comparing men to something theyāve never experienced (being alone with a bear)?
Compare apples to oranges then darvo when youāre called out on your misandrist false comparisonā¦
Youāre being a pedant and intentionally ignoring the message. And men are calling women stupid while pretending to be stupid (or God forbid, actually being stupid). Learn what a metaphor and hyperbole is, and their literary functions. Then realize this isnāt about literally spending time in the woods with a bear.
The words are the message. Women do not get a pass to insult all men and then say āoh, what I really meant wasā¦ā
No, fuck that. You said what you said, and itās sexist as hell.
The women said theyāre scared of men. You took it as an insult and became hostile. You are the bear.
Just say youāre scared of men. Thatās still unreasonable and a little insulting, but understandable. Donāt rank us below a wild bear. The bear is what makes men angry.
medgremlinSpeaking as a woman who has been assaulted and harassed on multiple occasions by more than one man, Iād just interject that bears can at least be pretty predictable. If you donāt bother it, it very probably wonāt bother you. The men who have assaulted and/or harassed me were people that (I thought) I knew and had been normal up to that point.
This is a hyperbole, and if push comes to shove, I would rather be dropped in a forest with another humanā¦ but if that human is a man that is a stranger, then Iām going to have a different kind of guard up than I would for a bear.
TL;DR: Itās easier to predict animal behavior than human behavior, and the best wonāt lie about being a friend before attacking you.
The issue is many women are going āobviously itās hyperboleā, āobviously itās an analogyā, so maybe donāt say shit like that? Itās insulting.
And then you get some other (mentally ill imo) women saying, no, I would literally rather be mauled by a bear than have to exist around a male stranger.
Maybe youāre just dense? It seems pretty damn obvious if you can read between the lines. It seems to me that you donāt like that you dont understand, so youāre blaming it on everyone else. Dont blame me that you arenāt picking up what others are putting down
The point isnt the bear.
The point is absolutely the bear. Without the bear, itās a reasonable statement. With the bear (or any other animal) itās an insult.
Feeling insulted is a red flag dude. Thatās an aggressive response to something that doesnāt actually affect you negatively if you arenāt a threat. If you are good, your actions will demonstrate this, and women wonāt feel so threatened.
Are you insulted when a kitten is wary of you? And hides under the couch because you might hurt her? Do you blame the kitten for running from your imposing stature and booming voice? If a kitten was abused before making it to you, do you hold it against the kitten? Or do you nurture her and show her that you are a friend and that you have no intention of ever hurting her? People need to feel safe the same way a kitten does. This is not a bad thing.
Are you saying women have the intelligence of a kitten?
Do you seriously lack this much reading comprehension, or are you just pretending to be daft?
I dunno, I just like to hope women are smart enough to be rational.
A significant portion of women have either been sexually assaulted or harassed. Being wary of men (especially strange men in the hypothetical vulnerable situation) makes perfect rational sense.
No, actually, thatās not rational at all. Thatās textbook irrationality. Thatās feelings, not thought.
Emotions are inherently irrational. Deal with it.
Trauma is inherently irrational.
Youāre cherry-picking the part of the paragraph that you think makes the other argument seem absurd.
If anyone hereās the irrational one, itās you.
So youāre saying women are too stupid to act rationally? Come on, man. Women are intelligent people. They donāt get a pass if they do something stupid, theyāre not helpless kittens, they have agency. They are not slaves to emotion.
Wow, cryophilia that might be the most dishonest argument Iāve seen. It certainly is the worst one i can think of. Read a whole post before responding, Oh intelligent and rational one.
So like, do you think women are too stupid to act rationally? Or no?
So, what youāre saying is itās not sexist for women to say theyāre afraid of men, and if you are that means youāre a dangerous sort of man. And of course the fear is acceptable because statistics say men are more likely to do violence than women, justifying that itās not sexist - just statistics.
Now as a hypothetical, imagine white folks looking at FBI violent crime stats (UCR Table 43 if youāre curious) and saying theyāre afraid of blacks. You can see how thatās racist, right? Even though statistics say black folks are more likely to assault, rape or kill you than white folks? Still racist, right? Should black folks be upset or insulted by the white folks in this hypothetical, and if they are does that make them part of the problem?
I keep seeing this like itās some sort of gotcha. It isnāt.
Disregarding the fact that the power dynamics are reversedā¦actually, no, never mind. Black violence is systemically perpetuated by a malicious and powerful group of people who thought it was okay to own people like property and still struggle to see black people as human. We are put in prisons, shot, and killed over these systemically enforced biases that we continually struggle to escape from. This issue is political because my very existence in this country is political, and it has to be tackled from many different directions to overcome due to its influence going back generations and being rooted in actual evil.
Women are scared of men because men have been scaring them all throughout history. Matriarchies are significantly more rare than patriarchies, because men have historically been dicks and lust for power. They also have historically been slaves to lust, and regularly take advantage of woman to sate their lust. In both examples, men and women are animals subservient to a dominant power.
That said, what do you think my response is to a misinformed white human who thinks Iām a dangerous criminal based only on the color of my skin?
I prove them wrong.
Your rabid misogyny is showing. Maybe stop foaming at the mouth?
Logic = misogyny
Wowā¦lol
Ok Iāll bite. How many bears have you been alone with??? None? Iām shocked at your bad faith ad hominem attacksā¦wait noā¦no Iām not.
CileTheSaneLogic = misogyny
No,
a large number of women are fuckin stupid.
= Misogyny.
Itās really not hard to spot when itās that obvious.
Thatās just facts. Look at the responses. āIāve never been attacked by a bearā yeah and youāve never fallen off a 40 story building, would you jump rather than take your chances with a stranger?
All the responses Iām seeing so far are either misandrist or stupid. āIāve never been mauled by a bearā is stupid. āAll men are potential rapistsā is misandry.
āAll men are potential rapistsā is misandry.
Which really demonstrates your inability to listen to what people are saying, as no one has said that.
Is it or is it not stupid as hell to prefer the bear?
Considering youāve been so level headed and reasonable to interact withā¦
Which really demonstrates your inability to listen to what people are saying, as no one has said that.
āAll men are potential rapistsā was literally the point of a couple of āfeminist art projectsā at colleges when I was a teenager. One literally made and distributed a list of āpotential rapistsā that was just a list of all the male students (if I recall this was at University of Maryland in the early 90s), another made up literal wanted posters with photos of randomly selected male students labeling them āpotential rapistā. Those were neither the first nor the last people to assert that or something very similar.
There have been various other bits along these lines over the years. Even if the bear thing isnāt about that (and Iād argue that if the same thing were pulled but targeting a group thatās not an acceptable target, the bigotry would be obvious), itās definitely a thing thatās been part of the discourse and invoked often enough and for long enough that itās certainly in mind in reaction to it.
The bear thing is misandry in more or less exactly the same way the Pence Rule is misogyny.
at colleges when I was a teenager.
So not the topic of this thread or what anyone here is talking about.
Or did I miss the point when the subject changed from ārecent memeā to āproject Schadarach saw as a teenagerā?
Boy, I wonder if misandry causes more misognyā¦
Holy shit, man just said she deserves it. What the fuck?
This would be a great topic to bring up in therapy.
Look, a rare upvoted satansmaggotycumfart post.
Most bears would prefer to be left aloneā¦ Or fed stale donuts and marshmallows if you have any.
Most men too
Almost 100% of women I know have personal experience of being sexually assaulted or harassed by a man.
0% of women I know have personal experience of being attacked by a bear.
This has a lot more to due with frequency of exposure than anything else. Basically, a choice between a random close encounter with a bear or a random close encounter with a man is a choice between a high risk of death or a low risk of something bad happening, but most women have experienced close to zero close encounters with random bears and hundreds or thousands of close encounters with random men and so are much more likely to have had more negative experiences with random men than with random bears. And that throws off the risk assessment - people are bad at assessing high impact rare events in general, and the rarer and higher impact they are the worse people are at considering it.
But then, the whole negative reaction to this is about painting half the population as being dangerous in a way that wouldnāt be seen as acceptable for virtually any other target group. If a bunch of white folks answered that theyād rather encounter a random bear than a random black person, no one would question the virulent racism of it.
OddrunAsmundrYes, but the point is that I will encounter thousands of men in my life, and I may be assaulted by one of them yes, but there will be thousands of them who donāt.
Each individual encounter with a bear is much more likely to end in death - even though bears often wonāt attack you. The proportion of encounters with bears that ends in an attack is much higher than the proportion of encounters with men.
Look I have a healthy level of caution around men, I completely get why other women choose the bear. Itās a fairly silly hypothetical, and if asked in the street I would probably answer bear with my tongue in my cheek too. However, presented with an actual bear and an actual man I will obviously choose the man because they are much less dangerous than bears.
The whole point of this ādiscourseā (at least as I understand it) is that men are a more realistic and present danger than bears. The fact that women choose the bear shows the level of threat that they feel on a daily basis. But trying to actually compare the genuine level of danger presented by a single encounter with a random man and a random bear, the man comes out on top. Undeniably.
ā¦if all the women you know say that, I wonder if youāre not the reason.