I wrote a post about #ebike, #router, #brouter, #EV and #hybrid #HPEV cars, where I ask:

* what are good parameters for ebike routing?
* can we improve elevation data for the road network?
* do you know of restaurants, bars, bakeries, etc. that allow for recharging ebike batteries, even for a fee?

#OpenStreetMap could probably include that info.

https://www.grulic.org.ar/~mdione/glob/posts/yuba-kombi-%2B-virvolt-900-a-trip-review/

I'm open to ideas!

Yuba Kombi + Virvolt 900 - a trip review

Editor's note: another dictated1 Last September or October we bought a Yuba Kombi and we took it to a bycicle repairman to install a Virvolt 900, which is a 691Wh battery and a 80Nm, 36V motor. This i

.:: Marcos Dione/StyXman's glob ::.

I just watched again the talk I mention, and they were concerned about #EVs (cars). Still, they make the assumption that most energy is only wasted in friction against the wind. I think they make the mistake of assuming that EVs, when going down, regenerate 100% of the energy they used when going up. The calculation is way more complex than that, and from what I read in any case the number seems to be closer to 10%.

Finally, if you make a trip that only goes up, you never recover that energy.

@mdione my bike is getting about 20% regen, and that's with it limited to 500W and needing the friction brakes, should be able to take 750 with this battery or 1000W with a bigger one.
@enobacon regen? wow, how?
@mdione e-bikes.ca GMAC geared hub motor and baserunner controller. The 500 vs 750 thing seems to be a bug in the software though where max regen amps is off by some factor, so I don't love the proposed workaround where I just set it to a level that would blow up the battery if it was the actual number.

@mdione

Ebike range depends on each rider and each bike, among other things. I have a spreadsheet that I built up from a dozen or so trips, recording distance and elevation gains for each, along with battery usage. I add further trips sporadically. From that data, I worked out a formula that more or less fits my bike and my level of fitness that says, for a projected ride, such and such a milage and height gain should use about so much battery.

@Cameleopard right; if you can calculate that coefficient, that's good. I'm mostly interested in what's the most energy efficient route for a electric vehicle that can't recover energy going down (ebikes), irrespective of my level of fitness (really bad on that trip; still bad today).

@mdione

Don't know if it's helpful, but for me 10m of elevation gain uses approximately the same power as 1 km on the flat.

@Cameleopard so that's ... a factor of 100 instead of 60? And you should be in good shape, I guess, so for occasional/bad shape people like me it's probably more?
@mdione
I've cycled most of my life, but I've been unwell the last couple of years and "most of my life" means "since I was about five, in 1958".
:-)
@mdione if elevation data is known, applying it to route selection should give some weight to presence or absence of regenerative breaking.