A few extra seconds of your time it takes to add a good image description can really improve someone's day.

"To a totally blind person like me it means a lot to have a picture in my mind of your images, especially the animal pics."

"I don't know what it is, but as a blind user it's making me emotional to be able to actually interact with content."

https://alttexthalloffame.org

#accessibility #a11y #AltText #ImageDescriptions

Alt Text Hall of Fame

Celebration of the effort, ingenuity, and creativity that goes into making the web a friendlier and more inclusive place, one captioned image at a time.

Alt Text Hall of Fame - Celebrating well-written image descriptions.

Huge thanks to everyone sharing this!

Want to start adding good alt text to your images, but feel a bit intimidated?

Here's a quick guide that's easy to follow!

Via https://mastodon.social/@alttexthalloffame/112026971409044465

#AltText #ImageDescription #accessibility #a11y

Yes, as some pointed out, the example alt text could be improved for folks not too familiar with capybaras, or yuzu fruits.

Something like this might work:

"A capybara, a large rodent animal with brown fur, sitting in water, with its head poking out, looking relaxed.

Yellow yuzu fruits, a citrus fruit similar to lemons, are floating in the water, and one is balanced on top of the capybara's head."

Still, very much following this guide. Good reminder to always keep your audience in mind!

@alttexthalloffame
This seems like a good idea, but I could never identify a capybara or yuzu fruit. My version:

Grey thing in something, maybe with water, with yellow thingies.
@xtb

@__jz @xtb Definition l Definitely a good start :-)

@alttexthalloffame @__jz @xtb

After a good minute of close inspection, I would describe them as "round yellow fruits"

@alttexthalloffame Nice guide. Just a comment on the example. One may not necessarily know what a capybara is and therefore how it looks. Adding some information on its interesting features wouldn't be too much work, I believe.
@Erik @Alt Text Hall of Fame This is what I keep saying and what people keep failing to understand.

If something is obscure enough, then people won't know what it is, but they may need to know to understand your post. So you'll have to explain it. Also, blind or visually-impaired people won't know what it looks like, but they may want to know. So you'll have to describe it.

#AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta
Netzgemeinde/Hubzilla

@alttexthalloffame I don't think it looks relaxed at all, I think it looks irritated.

Expression is subjective.

@alttexthalloffame thanks for the reminder. Nice to hear how alt text impacts you personally, tends get sort of abstract.
@hakuin Not personally affected myself, just an ally. Like yourself! ✊
@alttexthalloffame it also helps people in Germany with shitty mobile internet

@alttexthalloffame My much older brother tells the story, from his childhood in the 1950s, of my mother driving the car through the countryside and narrating what she saw so that her blind (from diabetes) husband could enjoy the view. My brother would lie down on the back seat, close his eyes and see the world the way his father saw it.

I think of that every time there’s a request here to include ALT text descriptions on Mastodon. It’s such a small ask with such a huge upside.

@Kimota94 That is beautiful, thank you for sharing!
@Kimota94 @alttexthalloffame @stefan a wonderful story. Truly heartwarming.
@Kimota94 @alttexthalloffame , thanks for sharing a most wonderful memory of your brother's.
Inspires me to keep my alt texts colorful.

@Kimota94

@alttexthalloffame @thepoliticalcat

looks left

looks right

whispers:

I'm a little face blind. I appreciate knowing who is in the pictures.

PEEPS, no it is not a small ask for a lot of people. it does change the posting flow. IOW it takes time for those adjustments to sink in.

as a writer, i take microblogging seriously. so when this became an issue here, i decided to honor the request.

it doesn't feel natural at all. there are times too much is going on in an image that i feel like am cheating by not including it all.

sometimes i want to get the post out of the way & include the AltTex on edit. 1/2

@Kimota94 @alttexthalloffame

so, FWIW it would be nice to have on the fediverse what Reddit had for a while: there was a brigade of folks adding the AltText in a comment.

we have Monsterdon here on Sundays and part of the fun is the fast posting of commentary. that could have GIFs or images from the movie or something else and most folks don't add an AltText immediately. i certainly don't. i come back later.

it would be nice for other folks to offer an AltText so we can add it on edit. 2/2

@Kimota94 @alttexthalloffame

@blogdiva @Kimota94 Yes, there is the "alt4me" hashtag for this very purpose!

@alttexthalloffame @Kimota94 i did not know that. this should be an ongoing fedi tip.

oops, forgot to say thanks.

@alttexthalloffame
@blogdiva @Kimota94

So, I wanted to ask, especially to our blind users:

Sometimes an image is missing alt text, so I add it, and I add the tag #Alt4You

Does that help people find alt text, added by somebody else, that's not actually attached to the image posted?

Or do people find that there's no alt text, and then don't look in the replies for #AltText?

I just hope my efforts aren't wasted.

#blind

@potungthul @blogdiva @Kimota94 Very good question! I periodically check for replies of someone asking this here https://tooters.org/@kayleeserenada/112055000193032023, but don't really have an answer.
KayleeSerenada (@[email protected])

How do people with low vision use the #Alt4You hashtag? Are you able to reliably fish these posts out of the comments when a pic doesn’t have its own? Do you follow the hashtag to supplement your feed with accessible posts? It’s not immediately obvious to me, so I’m trying to figure out the best/most helpful way to use it. Thanks for any thoughts you’re willing to share 🙏

Tooters

@potungthul I always look in the replies.

I don't think your effort is wasted.

@bright_helpings
Thank you! I will make more of an effort to add alt text to images without it, just in case you're the one reading. :)

#AltText

@potungthul @alttexthalloffame @blogdiva @Kimota94 I appreciate your efforts and don't think you are wastig your time. I don't need to go looking for this often, but when I do and I find it it makes me very happy.

@potungthul

I know what you mean about added image descriptions in the replies getting lost. On twitter I used to use quote tweets to add image descriptions.

But quoting posts doesn't work the same way here. So I do a reply with #AltText4You and then try to remember to boost the reply (I've been told that boosting helps?)

Not sure what's best.

#AltText #Blind

@yes, it's me, liza 🇵🇷  🦛 🦦
as a writer, i take microblogging seriously. so when this became an issue here, i decided to honor the request.

it doesn't feel natural at all. there are times too much is going on in an image that i feel like am cheating by not including it all.
I'm in a similar situation, I think.

If I post images, they're either renderings from 3-D virtual worlds or memes about said 3-D virtual worlds. Either way, they're about a very very obscure niche topic that probably not even one in 10,000 Fediverse users knows something about.

When you describe real-world photographs, you can skip a whole lot of details and explanations because you can safely assume that a) people are generally familiar with them and b) they're so mundane that nobody cares anyway.

When I describe pictures from super-obscure virtual worlds, I can't assume either. Nobody is familiar with anything in them. Besides, 3-D virtual worlds are still a novelty that's likely to catch people's interest to such degrees that they might want to know everything about them. So a whole lot of describing and explaining is necessary.

What @Alt Text Hall of Fame refers to as...
A few extra seconds of your time
...always ends up many hours of research and writing. The three longest times I've taken to describe one particular image were over 13 hours for 40,000 characters, over 13 hours for well over 38,000 characters and over 8 hours for over 25,000 characters, and I still find the last one lacking and the former two outdated by my current standards.

This does not mean that I don't describe my images anymore. But I have to plan image posts days or even weeks in advance, and then I have to find motives that won't take me too long to describe and that I can describe in sufficient detail in the first place.

CC: @Kimota94

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta
The upcycling and upgrading of Clutterfly furniture continues

14 more boxes of upgraded Clutterfly items released; CW: long post (almost 49,000 characters due to extremely long image descriptions, but the main post text itself is 770 characters long), eye contact (technically invisible, but present), food (berries and candy canes, technically invisible, but...

@jupiter_rowland @blogdiva Yes, "a few seconds" is a rough estimate that hopefully covers most cases. More detailed images do take more time, for sure!
@Kimota94 @alttexthalloffame What a wonderful story! It reminds me of a certain scene in the film "Amélie"...
@alttexthalloffame During the eclipse, I ended up putting alt text on a picture someone took of the eclipse and they told me that was the first time anyone had described the eclipse so that they knew what it looked like and what everyone was talking about and thinking about that response still makes me want to cry.

I had ended up describing the eclipse photo as part of a silly joke post/picture I had taken yet it still had an impact
😭 I felt like I had actually made someone's day.
@alttexthalloffame No idea if it's good practice or not, but I try to add a tidbit or two in the alt text that doesn't appear in the main post. A small joke, something about the location in the picture, what-have-you.

@eaterofsnacks Not blind myself, but from what I can tell, whimsy can definitely be appreciated!

https://stefanbohacek.online/@stefan/110848657796445471

(You just don't want to overdo it, of course.)

Stefan Bohacek (@[email protected])

Question for #blind #VisuallyImpaired folks, what kind of image descriptions do you prefer? #accessibility #a11y #AltText #ImageDescription [ ] Short, to the point [ ] As detailed as possible [ ] Add a little whimsy! [ ] Show results.

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