Would love recs for video games. My criteria are: 1) I like a good narrative, 2) I suck at speed reactions/hand-eye coordination challenges, 3) I like puzzle-solving, and 4) I'd prefer something that's not a giant undertaking lasting dozens of hours. Chants of Sennaar is a good example size-wise, though more robust narrative would be ideal.

@swan_tower Firewatch.
It's considered a "walking simulator" and avoids those challenging hand/eye/timing issues. Very pretty but stylized graphics, playtime of just a few hours, straightforward plot, lovely voice actors, a real gem.

Another in that vein may be "What Remains of Edith Finch," though this is far more abstract/artsy and somber.

@hawkesnest I've had Edith Finch on my list; might actually get around to trying it out now. Thanks!

@swan_tower I was going to suggest Edith Finch too! It's basically a visual novel with some playable minigames, but it's damn compelling.

CW for child death, though it's handled in as abstract and compassionate a way as I could imagine.

@swan_tower Psychonauts!

Though it 3D platform action, it also has enough redeeming merit that I've seen multiple non-action game people push through!

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"The Witness"

Don't Google any thing about it. Play without spoilers.

It's mostly sequential puzzles, but there is more to it.

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I love The Talos Principle (2014) and its DLC Road to Gehenna. Pure puzzler, with very good puzzles (especially Road to Gehenna is nothing but bangers of just the perfect difficulty). Has a decent narrative and really great optional philosophical discussions on the terminals in the game. Only probably about 15–20 hours to 100% the game if you're a reasonably good problem-solver like me.

Also really liking the sequel, but it's shaping up to be a lot longer and I don't think I adore it as much as the original game.

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Of course there's the obvious Portal (2007) and Portal 2 (2011), the former is very short and the latter is probably about 10 hours
@nytpu Loved those! (Except for the timed bit at the end, which I kept failing.)
@swan_tower Baba is You (2019) is very long and the later puzzles are extremely difficult, but it's oriented towards short play sessions. I usually come back every month or so and solve a few puzzles, then put it back down again
@nytpu Hah, a friend on Discord is reccing those to me right now, says 2 is more direct plot and philosophical discourse vs. 1 being better puzzles and symbolism
@swan_tower Yeah, 2 is definitely much more direct while 1 is more interpretive and subjective from the philosophical and narrative aspects. So far I think the main puzzles in both games are about equivalent in difficulty and funness, but the bonus puzzles in 2 are a lot easier (lots of fun even just locating some of them in the first game). Road to Gehenna has some of the best puzzles of any game I've ever played though, can't emphasize it enough lol
@swan_tower I’ve fallen into the Backpack Hero hole. The story is cute, you don’t need hand-eye coordination, there are five different characters, each with a different style, and it’s easy to pick up & put down.
@swan_tower Still Life, Indigo Prophecy, Heavy Rain, Life is Strange. Basically every Telltale game, professor Layton, and Phoenix Wright , if those somehow escaped your attention.

@jenniferplusplus On that last point, you might find this entertaining:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvHoTwv2R9k

Real Lawyer Reacts to Ace Attorney (With Real Japanese Lawyer!)

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@swan_tower Have you played Stray or Outer Wilds?
Both match the description pretty well and are about 6 and 20 hours respectively on average
@Hayden Nope, but I will put them on the list!

@swan_tower Many recs here for The Talos Principle, which IS an incredible thought providing puzzle game, but short it is not.

If you're looking for something relatively short with a fantastic narrative that uses its gameplay mechanics as part of the storytelling, my #1 pick is:

Brothers: a Tale of Two Sons

Absurdly good game. ~4hrs long, very polished. Highly recommend you play it if you haven't.👌

@GoodNewsGreyShoes Thanks for both the rec and the context!

@swan_tower You're super welcome - I hope you enjoy it as much as I did! 😄

Talos has a great meta-existential narrative, while Brothers has more of a compelling emotional narrative.

If you'd like a short, solid narrative-driven puzzle platformer that'll make you ask the question "why do I care so much about these rectangles??😭" I'd also recommend:

Thomas Was Alone

VERY skilled narrator in that game. 👌

@swan_tower We tend towards those giant undertakings personally, and can recommend tons of those, but some of the shorter ones we've really enjoyed include wild arms and wild arms 3 (both about 30-hour games), tales of eternia (about 30-40 hours), and the ace attorney series (about 20-30 hours each, but they're visual novels so it's really easy to pick up where you left off)
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@swan_tower (had recommended megaman battle network but then re-read that you like good narrative and removed that--they're good games, but the narrative is very... shōnen-style silly, is probably the best word for it?)
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@Hearth Thanks for the clarification!
@swan_tower (also sorry if these are still too long! we tend towards 60-70+ hour games so these are short for us, but they are still a couple dozen hours)
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@Hearth Nah, it's all good! I just need things that aren't Baldur's Gate 3 where I will lose 100+ hours to it . . .
@swan_tower Return of the Obra Dinn, perhaps.

@swan_tower If you like mystery, Hercule Poirot: The First Cases is a mystery adventure game with the usual investigative elements including searching for physical clues, interviews, and a mystery-solving mechanism that involves drawing connections between clues to reach conclusions. No speed/coordination challenges at all. The overall game isn't very long and is divided into several chapters.

In the same vein, if you haven't played them yet the early Phoenix Wright games (like the first three) are really good examples of puzzle-mystery adventure games. Very fun if you can ignore the weird law and judicial shenanigans xD Length-wise I don't recommend the Chronicles games--so much dialogue and so long ugh, though I did enjoy them overall and the historical elements were nice.

@swan_tower Seconding the Outer Wilds rec. The puzzles *are* the narrative, as you fly around and try to figure out what's going on and what to do about it. Some coordination required to fly your spaceship in 3D with thrusters and momentum. Don't search for spoilers, 20-25 hours.

I also enjoyed Unpacking. No puzzles, but a chill game about unpacking someone's life though several moves. The story is told though their stuff and the environment. 3-4 hours.

Hope you find some good games!

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Have you heard of Framed? It's a noir heist story that you advance thru moving comic panels around.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/322450/FRAMED_Collection/

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@JoyfulSouls I had not heard of that, no! Thanks!
@swan_tower I know a couple people have recommended The Talos Prince, and I wholeheartedly endorse that recommendation, as well as its sequel. However, you should also know one of the writers, Jonas Kyratzes, has been making games since 2000 or so. Highly recommend his Lands of Dream series, in particular, The Sea Will Claim Everything is a masterpiece. Most of his stuff before TP is point and click adventure, but not all. Enjoy!
@evilroda Thanks! Sounds like it's up my alley.
@swan_tower Can go with inspiration of Chants of Sennar and try Heaven's Vault. Can be finicky navigating the boat at times, but nothing on the level of hit-or-suck. Has rich plot with many little details and multiple branching outcomes. And is purely made on language puzzles. I'd say it's a bit longer than CoS, especially if you're going for NG+, but a singular playthrough shouldn't take more than a couple dozens of hours.
@gorizord I honestly had trouble getting into that one -- it felt a bit *too* laid-back and vague.
@swan_tower Heaven's Vault?
@mctwist I wanted to like that one, but had trouble getting into it . . .
@swan_tower Firewatch for sure, and Inscryption.
@swan_tower Agatha Christie the ABC Murders*, Puzzle Agent, Her Story*, Heaven's Vault, OneShot, Return to Mysterious Island, Strange Horticulture, Retrace*, Abzu, The Stanley Principle, and (if you've somehow missed it) Myst. I didn't get into but other people like: Long Live The Queen, Frog Detective, Murder by Numbers*. Been a while since I played some of these but I think they fit the bill. Starred have dark themes as I recall.

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Outer Wilds.

Hands down the most impactful gaming experience I've had in a decade.

Banging soundtrack, deep mysteries, and life changing beauty and sadness. Oh, and space banjos.

The less you know going in the better. The game is entirely knowledge gated.

@swan_tower on the caveat that I haven't played it myself, only watched someone else do it, Venba is short and narrative (iirc). The puzzle is click the ingredients in the correct order. It can be quite sad at points though.
@swan_tower sounds to me like Oxenfree (and Oxenfree 2) meet a lot of your criteria. Heavily story-based, no speed reactions necessary and a great story line. The puzzles aren’t too taxing, it’s more about the story.
@swan_tower just realised I said “story” three times there. Can you tell its story based? 😂
@swan_tower check out The Case of the Golden Idol. Fantastic puzzles that lead up to a super satisfying narrative once you put it all together.
@swan_tower Heaven's Vault is Chants of Sennaar with a better story.

@swan_tower I would suggest you take a look at Roadwarden: https://www.eurogamer.net/roadwarden-review-one-of-the-finest-historical-fantasies-youll-play

It's a narrative puzzle. Like a choose your own adventure book. With a couple RPG elements thrown in. Zero physical speed required. And personally I think the story and the world are fascinating.

Roadwarden review - one of the finest historical fantasies you'll play

A review of Roadwarden, a narrative RPG.

Eurogamer.net
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