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Ross WintleThe Verge article on the best printer in 2024 is just completely brilliant in so many ways.
And also kinda sad.
Sara Joy 
@ross I can feel the dejection oozing out of just the title, never mind the rest
@sarajw Isn’t it just.
Rihards Olups@ross @sarajw
And this paragraph is gold.
With links to back it all up.
With "people mad" poking Google at https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/1/23942564/googles-danny-sullivan-responds-to-our-piece-about-the-culture-of-seo-hustlers .
And this paragraph is gold.
With links to back it all up.
With "people mad" poking Google at https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/1/23942564/googles-danny-sullivan-responds-to-our-piece-about-the-culture-of-seo-hustlers .
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James Basoo@ross Not only an indictment of the printer industry but of LLMs too. You can tell the author has just had enough.
@Jbasoo Nikay is editor in chief. He does seem like a really smart guy who gets nuance and has a real mission. The episode of his own podcast where someone else interviews him is fascinating.
Andrico@ross wow, I can't believe they used AI to write this. So much outrage
@andrico I think it was only the second half.
"Don’t feel compelled to do it; my only ask is that you make this article go viral by sharing it in faux-outrage that the EIC of The Verge has published an article partially generated by AI"
I was just doing what I was told to 😛
@andrico You played the game well👏👏👏
jaseg@ross They're on point. I bought one of those brother cheapies for less than 100€ recently, and it's working great. Apparently they have been churning out my exact model for at least ten years now. It doesn't have wifi, has no cloud integration, doesn't even have a display, but just works without a fuss, and does an adequate job.
Zitruskeks@jaseg @ross I still have my 15 years old Kyocera FS-1300D. It has 6LED that clearly communicate its status, a chunky real power switch, it has no wifi (to be fair not even LAN, so it dangles on a lan to usb print server), I have forgotten when I last changed toner (that i all bought 15 years ago) and it is just there and prints when i need a print and nothing else.
Mia ‘Meetings? I Abstain’ Luna Tearmoon@Zitruskeks @jaseg @ross we have a Kyocera Ecosys colour laser printer at home and honestly it just works
It does have Ethernet and Wi-Fi, though, which was one of the main reasons I got it — I wanted a network printer
The only thing that did not work was Google Cloud Print; the device went into crash loop if you had that set up
@Zitruskeks @jaseg @ross the toner cartridge solution for these printers is ‘use a soldering iron to melt a hole in the side, pour toner in, stick electrical tape over the hole’
chuckadeus kummerer@ross "ink related hostage situation" <3
Julik Tarkhanov@ross Printers are the emblem of enshittification
Serge Droz@ross yes indeed, it describes everything that's wrong with the difference economy
ⓝⓞ🅞🅝🅔@ross This article was a little bit of everything. It was honest, accurate, to the point, and funny. Most importantly, the author is right!
We have been using a Brother all in one laser printer for nearly four years now and we've never been more pleased by a printer. Great experience and no issues with third party toner.
P.S. While funny, the last thing I wanted to see was an all-sounding-the-same annoyingly valueless GPT response within the article. I'm grateful the author warned us not to pay attention to it.
Andrew Williams@ross I had one of the earlier models of this printer in my woodwork shop to print out orders. Even when absolutely caked in sawdust it still worked perfectly (with a slight burning smell).
I use a HP Laserjet at home, but if this one ever dies my next will be a Brother HL.
I love that this is a yearly thing now: https://www.theverge.com/23642073/best-printer-2023-brother-laser-wi-fi-its-fine
Best printer 2023: just buy this Brother laser printer everyone has, it’s fine
The best printer to buy is the one that works without you needing to think about it or subscribe to some nonsense ink refill thing. For most people, that’s the Brother HL-L2305W or something like the MFC-L2750DW that adds a scanner.
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Rajnhildo Ursidino 
@ross you are a printer we are all printers
Dalimil Gala 🇨🇿 🥥@ross I switched from a BW Brother laser printer 2700DW to a color Brother inkjet printer T720DW two years ago and I don't regret it.
Peter Brett@ross I can confirm: I also have a 15-year-old Brother HL2140 that Just Works
Lazyboy@ross
I have a Brother HL-L3230CDW, and I commend this article.
My printer just prints. Every time. No fuss, no questions, no alerts. It just prints and with excellent quality
I have a Brother HL-L3230CDW, and I commend this article.
My printer just prints. Every time. No fuss, no questions, no alerts. It just prints and with excellent quality
Photo Ewen 📷OMG that's literally the printer I bought last week. Small. Reliable. Dull. Everything a printer should be.
Scott Knowles@ross Two requirements for me, color prints and duplex printing. This printer does neither. Single side printing requires more paper or printing alternate pages on two runs. That's not efficient, especially if you don't get page alignment right to keep page order. My HP 450 DN has been a workhorse for 10+ years no. My previous HP color, duplex printer still work but HP dropped driver to use it.
@wsrphoto Yeah. I get that if you have use cases for those things.
The additional cost is not worth it for me or many people.
bluGill@ross That printer does duplex printing - I know as I have it. (brother makes several models, the article is about whatever is on sale, I waited until the week the model with duplex as on sale and thus the cheapest option).
You can get brother lasers with color as well, but they are never the cheapest thing on sale. For most people though they are better off sending their color printing needs to the nearest store and picking it up on the next errant.
@bluGill @[email protected] for the information. I have an Epson R2400 printer for prints up to 11"x14". The HP 450 is good color printer for everyday use, but cartridges aren't cheap, around $450 for all four.
Xerz 💗@ross just recommended a Brother printer…. an inkjet, that is, because cheap color x3
still a lovely printer, I’m sure it’ll last for very long….
bjb 
@ross I have a brother laser printer, it is everything the article says.
Addison Smith@ross
Can confirm. Have had the same Briother laser printer for 12 years. Literally zero issues and toner lasts forever.
Can confirm. Have had the same Briother laser printer for 12 years. Literally zero issues and toner lasts forever.
FreediverX@ross
Hard to decide what’s more infuriating here, the sad state of printers or the obnoxious obsession with engagement, SEO, and “AI”.
Hard to decide what’s more infuriating here, the sad state of printers or the obnoxious obsession with engagement, SEO, and “AI”.
Michael Sokolov@ross where is your fauxtrage though?!
@ross "Neither has fallen off the WiFi or insisted I sign up for an ink-related hostage situation" 😂😂
Sam Gardiner@ross I think our Brother HL-2140 might be turning 18 this year. It's seen our household through four degrees and a couple years' WFH. Raspberry Pi as its print server. If it ever dies I guess I'll find a duplex model.
Fazal Majid@ross Nilay Patel is a national treasure
@fazalmajid I think he’s an international one.
Jeff Codes 🤨@ross I have a larger model with the scanner and feeder tray, DPC L2550DW, because it was the only #Brother #Printer I could find during the 'Rona times. It's a beast. There is a reason that nearly every car mechanic shop has a Brother printer still printing invoices while caked in dust, oil, grease, stacks car parts, and the occasional shop #Cat .
As others have pointed out, great #Linux support!
#GoTeamBrother #ThisIsTheWay #tech
As others have pointed out, great #Linux support!
#GoTeamBrother #ThisIsTheWay #tech
TerryB@ross And it's true too. Our elderly mono laser Brother is USBd to our main PC (pre-wifi model). It's been a student's accommodation essay printer, my late sister's printer in a tiny bedsit/flat and has come back to us. And it just works.
Pat Madigan@ross I’ve had a Brother laser printer for several years, and I can confirm that it’s an absolute workhorse.
When I finally used up the original toner cartridge, I bought 3rd party replacements and they were great (still on the first one actually, they last forever). There’s no need to buy Brother cartridges.
@ross Love my brother printer. Recently started looking at what it would cost if I wanted to start doing my own photo prints at home instead of at Walmart and holy shit.
Sex Ed for Bi Guys 
@ross Got a Brother at home, been using Brother for years. Best printers. They still rip you off on toner though.
Jorkin MahJongus@ross Nilay is so real for that
Mike Gerdts@ross my experience differs. I’ve had to buy toner for my brother laser printer from time to time. That’s because I bought it 9 years ago and it still works, even though I feed it the cheapest toner I can find on eBay or Amazon.
Unlike all of the inkjets I bought before it, the printer works fine even if I go months without printing. Toner doesn’t dry out and plug the non-existent toner nozzles if you ignore it for too long.
Willow "Wolveric" Catkin@ross
> Need a budget friendly option for occasional printing
*The irony that the cost of inkjet printers is so low, because it's subsidised by the markup on ink, and it makes onboarding people easier...* 😹
> Need a budget friendly option for occasional printing
*The irony that the cost of inkjet printers is so low, because it's subsidised by the markup on ink, and it makes onboarding people easier...* 😹
Conor James Giles@ross This is the best article I've read in a while, just for the sheer level of done that bleeds through the copy
Diego Pino@ross Nilay Patel is the boss, he can even make a boring printer interesting.
sverx🗩@ross best article of the year so far! 😂
asol@ross I have no brother printer and I can confirm that I have no idea what’s the best printer either, waiting for brother printer to go on sale
Daniel M. Reck@ross I've been very happy with the Brother laser printer I bought in 2006 when I started graduate school. It's still kicking.
Based on that experience, though, I recommended a different Brother printer to someone a few years ago. They had issues with it forcing early toner refills that it definitely didn't need yet.
Old models used an optical sensor of some sort to check toner levels, and new ones just count pages and throw tantrums when you refuse to replace toner when it says so.
Ball Shaped Man@ross agreed, rocking ours for several years and not one single problem with it!
stop genocide punch nazis@ross This is 100% true. I bought ours in 2017. The initial free toner pack printed 566 pages, high capacity replacement 1899 pages, still on the next one.Total 3407 pages printed, 963 on the current toner pack.
I do regularly consider getting a fancy inkjet for photography purposes, but eh.