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Dare ObasanjoWhenever people complain about their favorite intellectual property from their childhood becoming “woke” it’s usually because it simply went over their heads as kids.
Allen C Marshall@carnage4life exactly
CarRamrod@carnage4life My favorite was their anger at RATM for "going woke" 😂
John Timaeus
Matt McIrvin@carnage4life I think that for many conservatives it's because they have a static idea of the "just right" amount of progressivism: that e.g. the civil-rights movement of the 1950s-60s was good, but at some point all the real problems were fixed and to go further is just going too far.
So it's OK for 1960s Star Trek to make episodes attacking racism, but for modern Star Trek to make episodes attacking transphobia is bad "woke".
I think that among conservatives this is a common feeling, and the point they identify as "just right" is invariably either in their own childhoods or a point just prior to their birth.
@carnage4life Of course, their intellectual counterparts in the 1960s *hated* the civil-rights movement and identified the "just right" point as much further back, maybe before the world wars. But this is the way conservatism works.
Colm Ó Donnchadha@mattmcirvin @carnage4life isn't there also a bit of people getting more conservative as they get older
@ColmDonoghue @carnage4life Maybe. But I think a lot of that is just that if you start out with this essentially static outlook on what is good and true, it will become more obvious as you age and that fixed point gets further out of sync with the culture.
@ColmDonoghue @carnage4life Thinking differently is difficult because it involves critically examining your own past attitudes. And this is a bit exhausting for anyone.
But a really progressive outlook on justice and inclusion is that it's a neverending process--the work is never done and you can always get better.
Brett R@mattmcirvin @carnage4life The studies I've (casually) seen actually say the opposite: most people get more liberal as they age, but they don't keep pace with society as a whole.
They may seem more conservative in relation to everyone else, but they are more liberal compared to their younger self. It's just a popular thing to say.
Grinning Cat 
🚫👑@swiftone @mattmcirvin @carnage4life I casually saw another study that said that slightly more conservative folks than liberal folks *survive* to *get* old.
@grinningcat @mattmcirvin @carnage4life Interesting. I wonder if they live longer because they are conservative, if they live longer because they are wealthy (which might make them more likely to be conservative), or for some other reason?
@swiftone @grinningcat @carnage4life Best guess: because they are white. I suspect racial disparities in medical care and stress explain much of any partisan difference.
Jed Brown@ColmDonoghue @mattmcirvin @carnage4life That's largely a myth.
https://hachyderm.io/@mekkaokereke/109609941910796255
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Attached: 2 images I'm going to keep sharing this info until it sinks in. Young voters do not get significantly more or less politically activated. Voter suppression gets more or less effective. Ballot drop boxes and mail-in voting, prevents suppression. People do not become more conservative as they get older. There is not an increasing difference between white GOP and Dem voters as they get older. Black people don't live long, and many brown voters aren't born yet.
@jedbrown @ColmDonoghue @carnage4life Those graphs show that *partisan* vote over time is pretty static and essentially completely explained by changing racial demographics of the electorate.
But you'd probably get different results polling on individual *issues* (in fact I know this is true for some specific ones) since the positions of the parties themselves change over time.
(e.g. same-sex marriage was a position with little mainstream support in 1992, but supported by the Democratic Party by 2012 and nationwide law not long after.)
Joe ❌👑@mattmcirvin @jedbrown @ColmDonoghue @carnage4life Joe Biden isn't my favorite guy, but he dragged Obama into supporting same sex marriage by forcing the issue in 2012: he publicly announced his support at a time when Obama's political advisors were urging him to keep it ambiguous because it might help Mitt Romney. The advisors then anonymously attacked Biden to their contacts in the political press, saying he was a gaffe machine who had no sense. Obama was forced to go along because that was what almost the whole D party wanted.
@not2b @jedbrown @ColmDonoghue @carnage4life I did wonder at the time how staged that whole episode was.
@mattmcirvin @jedbrown @ColmDonoghue @carnage4life I don't think it was. Prop 8 (aka Prop Hate) won in California in part because Obama opposed same sex marriage at the time. It was used as an argument for it.
I've moved to @carnage4life Great meme-ory!
Laura G, Sassy 70’s@carnage4life totally amazes me when Star Trek fans complain that the newer series are too “woke.” For crying out loud, the original series had an inter-racial crew, including a black woman on the bridge. Some of the episodes dealt very directly with prejudice. The Vulcan motto was “Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations.” For the late 1960’s, the show was very progressive.
Ravindra Kanodia@LauraJG @carnage4life we kind of think of the Cold War as being quaint and old-fashioned nowadays, but having a Russian guy as part of the crew was also an extremely "political" choice at the time
ChrisAshtear@LauraJG @carnage4life the craziest one for me is the youtube videos for the drumhead where they are acting as if picard is a huge conservative or something.
Like, what crazy pills are these people taking where star trek isnt a commie space utopia?
I swear these right wing nutters always use the drumhead quote when acting like star trek supports them.
Kevin Gamin@LauraJG @carnage4life Not just a Black woman, a Black woman OFFICER.
Tobias@carnage4life from which show/movie is this picture?
[aware event]@Voidi The Good Place
Olooriel@Voidi The image is from "The Good Place", but the text on the blackboard is edited for the meme - it was actually about ancient philosophers.
Sami Koskinen@carnage4life @Voidi The two pictures are from show called The Good Place
cognitively accessible math@carnage4life and Star Wars still has the answer to everythig being to blow things up.
Neia masks@carnage4life Two frames from TV show The Good Place.
First frame: Eleanor, a white, bottle-blonde woman, sitting in an ultra-modern living room. A stand lamp is beside her with a Star Wars logo on the shade. An AT-AT is on a shelf behind her. Eleanor is saying: "It's like, when did Star Wars become all political and antifascist?"
Second frame: Chidi, a geeky-chic Black man in professor attire, standing in front of a chalkboard with writing: "Ethics 101. Professor Chidi _____ye. Bad guys = Imperials with fascist imagery (uniforms, 'Stormtroopers'), old, white. Dissolution of _____ elected senate. Good guys = Woman-led, multispecies. Founder of w_____ philosophy - Dialogs". Chidi is saying: "1977."
#AltTextForYou
First frame: Eleanor, a white, bottle-blonde woman, sitting in an ultra-modern living room. A stand lamp is beside her with a Star Wars logo on the shade. An AT-AT is on a shelf behind her. Eleanor is saying: "It's like, when did Star Wars become all political and antifascist?"
Second frame: Chidi, a geeky-chic Black man in professor attire, standing in front of a chalkboard with writing: "Ethics 101. Professor Chidi _____ye. Bad guys = Imperials with fascist imagery (uniforms, 'Stormtroopers'), old, white. Dissolution of _____ elected senate. Good guys = Woman-led, multispecies. Founder of w_____ philosophy - Dialogs". Chidi is saying: "1977."
#AltTextForYou
DarkRat@carnage4life great, now I want to rewatch TGP again
Pseudo NymIt was this meme, but with the original Good Place dialogue, on Twitter, gotme into the show, around mid third season.
Fantastic tv. One of my all time faves.
And that finale, way to stick the landing. And endings are hard.
Jerome@carnage4life Whenever people complain about their favorite intellectual property from their childhood becoming “woke” it’s usually because they hate everything and everyone.
SaanichGuy 🇨🇦🇨🇦@carnage4life could it have been any easier than “join the dark side”? First movie was about destroying a planet and all the inhabitants! Not exactly ‘white hat’ material
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Cats Who Draw 
@carnage4life bonus points because I LOVE the good place 
ClarificationSW @carnage4life The ewoks were the fucking Vietcong. Star wars is so comically over the top with its political messages and always has been. That's also not a bad thing Star Wars is allowed to be over the top with political themes because thats the whole premise of the series. It's a WAR.
Lux 
@carnage4life Hi ! Would it be possible to add an alt text so your toot is available to everyone ?
For instance :
Meme from The Good Place.
Eleanor asks "It's like, when did Star Wars become all political and anti-fascist ?"
Chidi answers "1977" while showing the chalkboard where it is written : "Bad guys = Imperials with fascist imagery (uniform, "stormtroopers"), old, white. Dissolution of elected senate. Good guys = woman-led, multispecies."
Thanks a lot !
quintessence 
"i cAAN't BelIEve sTaR TrEk IS all Woke Nao" 
Yes. Now. This is certainly a new development. Never happened before. Ever. Nope. Never at all.
David 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️NB they/them@carnage4life And continues to go over their heads as adults. It’s amusing watching them lose their shit at X-Men '97 "going woke." I have to call into question whether they even watched the original show or picked up a comic book. "Stan Lee would never have been political," Is the funniest thing I’ve heard in a while 😂
DeckerEgo@carnage4life this post reminded me of Jim Henson's notes as he drew up Fraggle Rock - he wanted to teach kids about discovery and acceptance, but if kids caught on that there was an actual lesson behind Doozers building radish bridges "we will have failed."
Tim VerstynenMy favorite was when a bunch of guys a few years ago got really pissed off when they discovered that Rage Against the Machine was political.
Matt WilcoxThinking about it, I'm not sure Star Wars was all that woke. As in, I'm not convinced it was interntionally done that way. I doubt too many of the people making it had much awareness of those aspects of what they were making in terms of concious political statement, and more "this is a cool story, the template has these tropes, and it keeps things simple".
It was perhaps less "woke" and more accedentally playing in that arena.
J. Steven York RESISTS@carnage4life
Even boomers. DRAGNET '68 did a hard hitting episode about the dangers of giving kids rifles that would never fly today. And the Andy Griffith show had a strong "guns don't solve problems and aren't for evryone" message, and a theme of non-violent policing that would be attacked today. And don't get me started on Star Trek. People have very selective memories. Of course, these shows were flawed products of their time, but there are lots of counterexamples.
Even boomers. DRAGNET '68 did a hard hitting episode about the dangers of giving kids rifles that would never fly today. And the Andy Griffith show had a strong "guns don't solve problems and aren't for evryone" message, and a theme of non-violent policing that would be attacked today. And don't get me started on Star Trek. People have very selective memories. Of course, these shows were flawed products of their time, but there are lots of counterexamples.
vim exiter@carnage4life I've seen grown a** adults with these Stormtrooper decals on their cars, representing their cute families. Did they not get the reference? They called them "Stormtroopers", it's not really obscured in any way. smh.
David Mitchell 
Yes, episodes 4-6 work well that way, but I found the narrative of episodes 1-3 disappointing… the basic plot is that our ‘good and beneficent’ elites got swapped for baddies… but rule by elites often leads to fascism because the takeover is easier to effect. Ask yourself where the ‘ordinary people’ are in that dynastic struggle, either the ones fighting it or the ones cosplaying it in proto-Strong Boys get-ups? It’s not an anti-elite message for sure.
Björn@carnage4life I thing some confuse woke with pandering, pandering for the pandering itself.