Dare ObasanjoMar 31, 2024
Whenever people complain about their favorite intellectual property from their childhood becoming “woke” it’s usually because it simply went over their heads as kids.
Show threadMatt McIrvinMar 31, 2024

@carnage4life I think that for many conservatives it's because they have a static idea of the "just right" amount of progressivism: that e.g. the civil-rights movement of the 1950s-60s was good, but at some point all the real problems were fixed and to go further is just going too far.

So it's OK for 1960s Star Trek to make episodes attacking racism, but for modern Star Trek to make episodes attacking transphobia is bad "woke".

I think that among conservatives this is a common feeling, and the point they identify as "just right" is invariably either in their own childhoods or a point just prior to their birth.

Show threadColm Ó DonnchadhaMar 31, 2024
@mattmcirvin @carnage4life isn't there also a bit of people getting more conservative as they get older
Show threadJed Brown
@ColmDonoghue @mattmcirvin @carnage4life That's largely a myth.
https://hachyderm.io/@mekkaokereke/109609941910796255
mekka okereke :verified: (@[email protected])

Attached: 2 images I'm going to keep sharing this info until it sinks in. Young voters do not get significantly more or less politically activated. Voter suppression gets more or less effective. Ballot drop boxes and mail-in voting, prevents suppression. People do not become more conservative as they get older. There is not an increasing difference between white GOP and Dem voters as they get older. Black people don't live long, and many brown voters aren't born yet.

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Mar 31, 2024 at 10:24pmWeb
Show threadMatt McIrvinMar 31, 2024

@jedbrown @ColmDonoghue @carnage4life Those graphs show that *partisan* vote over time is pretty static and essentially completely explained by changing racial demographics of the electorate.

But you'd probably get different results polling on individual *issues* (in fact I know this is true for some specific ones) since the positions of the parties themselves change over time.

(e.g. same-sex marriage was a position with little mainstream support in 1992, but supported by the Democratic Party by 2012 and nationwide law not long after.)

Show threadJoe ❌👑Apr 1, 2024
@mattmcirvin @jedbrown @ColmDonoghue @carnage4life Joe Biden isn't my favorite guy, but he dragged Obama into supporting same sex marriage by forcing the issue in 2012: he publicly announced his support at a time when Obama's political advisors were urging him to keep it ambiguous because it might help Mitt Romney. The advisors then anonymously attacked Biden to their contacts in the political press, saying he was a gaffe machine who had no sense. Obama was forced to go along because that was what almost the whole D party wanted.
Show threadMatt McIrvinApr 1, 2024
@not2b @jedbrown @ColmDonoghue @carnage4life I did wonder at the time how staged that whole episode was.
Show threadJoe ❌👑Apr 1, 2024
@mattmcirvin @jedbrown @ColmDonoghue @carnage4life I don't think it was. Prop 8 (aka Prop Hate) won in California in part because Obama opposed same sex marriage at the time. It was used as an argument for it.