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radicalautonomy Mar 25, 2024

Teacher who resigned after her OnlyFans page was discovered says new employer fired her for violating social media policy

https://lemmy.world/post/13518920

Teacher who resigned after her OnlyFans page was discovered says new employer fired her for violating social media policy - Lemmy.World

Had to supplement her $42,000 per year teacher salary with OF and made nearly $1 million in six months (almost 50 times as her salary) before the school caught wind of it and forced her to resign. Got a new job out of education and was fired five days later when they discovered news articles about her.

ji59 Mar 25, 2024

They claim that I violated their social media policy, but will not respond to me with how I violated it.

WTH is social media policy? Is it written somewhere that employees can't have OF? (And also who found her on OF and snitch on her?)

Maalus Mar 25, 2024

It’s probably some bullshit like “your social media presence cannot hurt the company” - i.e. if someone is a full on Nazi, clients could look them up and it being a controversy. But now it’s applied to OF by puritans.

This, at its core, is why I agree with the right for this company to have this policy. I wouldn’t want to be legally forced to employ and pay a Nazi and be seen associating with said Nazi, therefore I have to agree to the rights of others to do the same, even if I don’t agree with their reasons

Curiousfur Mar 25, 2024

You are equating hiring someone who makes and sells their own porn to hiring someone who subscribes to a hateful, violent ideology. They absolutely aren’t the fucking same. One is a legal adult legally providing a digital service to other legal adults, and the other is a member of a group known specifically for violence to advance racial superiority. Only one of those people does anything that could ever lead to another person being harmed or threatened, and as such only one of them should be driven out of society by any means necessary. This is not a “both sides” thing, this is discrimination against someone who has caused no harm, plain and simple.

AdmiralShat Mar 25, 2024

I’m not equating shit, don’t fucking put words in my mouth. I’m not even reading the rest of that comment,

If you want your own freedoms you have to accept that others get their own feeedoms and can use them in ways you dont agree with

Patapon Enjoyer Mar 25, 2024

AdmiralShat Mar 25, 2024

I didn’t compare or equate anything, I just said I don’t have to agree to their reasoning to acknowledge their right

Serious reading comprehension issue

Patapon Enjoyer Mar 25, 2024

If you think they’re right to fire her for porn say they’re right for firing her for porn. Don’t say they’re right for firing her because nazis exist.

AdmiralShat Mar 25, 2024

right

I think this is the issue, youre illiterate.

I’m saying they HAVE a right, not THAT they’re right.

Two different words with two different definitions

Public school system has failed miserably, because lol

Patapon Enjoyer Mar 25, 2024

And why do you think they should be equated to nazis when they exercise that right?

ASeriesOfPoorChoices Mar 25, 2024

they didn’t equate anyone to nazis.

the only people equated were the employers, the real ones from the story, and the hypothetical ones from his comparison.

no employers were nazis nor equated to them.

Patapon Enjoyer Mar 25, 2024

Ok so now it’s the employers who made the nazi comparison. Maybe at some point we’ll get you to admit you made a dumb comparison.

Psychadelligoat Mar 25, 2024

That’s a different person, genius

Nobody compared anything, for the love of god

“I support companies having this right because if they didn’t I’d be forced to work with Nazis more often” is a very straightforward concept

AdmiralShat Mar 25, 2024

Thank you! I thought I was going crazy or just not explaining myself well enough

Patapon Enjoyer Mar 25, 2024

A straightforward concept and also a wrong one. Not firing people for one thing doesn’t mean not firing people for any other thing including being a fucking Nazi.

Meatballs Mar 25, 2024

So you’re saying we should be forced to associate with nazis? What about pedophiles? What about people who posts loli porn or people who say the N word on their twitter?

Patapon Enjoyer Mar 25, 2024

I’m saying we shouldn’t. Are you saying that teacher is any of those people?

Meatballs Mar 25, 2024

You’re saying we shouldn’t but then saying we should be forced to interact with people we don’t like?

So who decides what’s acceptable? The government? You? Where is the line and why is it that you think I should have to associate with people who post animated pedophile porn?

Patapon Enjoyer Mar 25, 2024

Do I want the entity whose reason for existing is to decide which behaviors are acceptable and infringe people’s rightsto decide which behaviors are acceptable? Would be nice, but I like your suggestion where I get to choose.

AdmiralShat Mar 25, 2024

Why should you get to chose when you’re saying others shouldn’t get to choose? So you’re saying I should be forced to work with nazis and pedophiles because you want the government to say so, but then saying YOU should get to make this choice

Meatballs Mar 25, 2024

So you think companies should have to hire nazis and pedophiles? because those things don’t align with my values and I don’t want to to associate with those people.

Patapon Enjoyer Mar 25, 2024

So you think companies should have to hire nazis and pedophiles?

No. I’m pretty sure we went over that 3 times already.

Meatballs Mar 25, 2024

whatever reason they decide is against their “values”

Okay so you DO keep saying this though, that companies shouldn’t get to decide. So you do think companies should be forced to employ pedophiles and nazis?

Patapon Enjoyer Mar 25, 2024

4 times now. Do I hear 5?

Meatballs Mar 26, 2024

So please explain how this chain is any different than earlier when you were doing it to other people.

And you never actually say what these values mean, you just keep saying you said it but never do

AnD again, YOU FUCKING DID THIS YOURSELF IN THE OTHER COMMENTS YOU HYPOCRITICAL DUNCE

Meatballs Mar 26, 2024

So no rebuttal when called out, huh?

Schadrach Mar 26, 2024

Right, instead you think companies should be free to fire people for certain beliefs and off hours behavior, but only ones you don’t approve of. As opposed to the current environment where individual private entities are allowed to choose what behaviors and beliefs they don’t approve of, within some limits.

Schadrach Mar 26, 2024

You can’t discriminate against minority groups (and just to give examples but not a comprehensive list) like black people, gay people, and you can’t discriminate against people based only on them being a different religion. Look up protected classes.

You need to look up protected classes as well, their broader than you seem to think. It’s just as illegal to discriminate against people white people, straight people, men, etc. Because protected classes cover discrimination based on race, sex, etc without specifying which sexes, races, etc are protected because all of them are.

Meatballs Mar 26, 2024

And that doesn’t change the fact that what people post on social media isn’t a protected class.

It’s not broader than I think, I took business law, what I’m trying to do is do what this junk for brains is doing in this thread back at them but twisting their words into borderline nonsense

ASeriesOfPoorChoices Mar 26, 2024

the only nazi here is you, Himmler.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices Mar 26, 2024

you’re not the smartest tool in the shed, are you?

are you a nazi? is this why you’re trying to defend them so much?

AdmiralShat Mar 25, 2024

You’re the one trying to say this, not me. Im not equating anything YOU are saying that I am because you can’t read.

I’m saying people with different beliefs have the same rights and can use them according to their beliefs.

You’re incapable of understanding the whole point. If you take their right to association away because ot doesn’t align with your belif system, then what happens when a new person takes office and suddenly has a platform for taking peoples rights away?

Patapon Enjoyer Mar 25, 2024

I’m saying people with different beliefs have the same rights and can use them according to their beliefs.

That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.

AdmiralShat Mar 25, 2024

I’m gonna screen shot this and make a post about it, because trust me buddy, it’s not me who is dumb here

Please explain why you think either only people who believe what you believe should have rights or people who believe differently shouldn’t have as many rights or can’t use them the same as you?

Patapon Enjoyer Mar 25, 2024

First tell me why you should be able to infringe on people’s rights because of your beliefs instead of generally recognized protections. You know, the same point homophobes make to not serve gay people.

Don’t work, I’m not making a comparison 😉

AdmiralShat Mar 25, 2024

I literally said what someone posts to social media isn’t a protected class. I literally said that. I actually, literally said

Patapon Enjoyer Mar 25, 2024

Good for you. So everyone who isn’t a protected class might as well be nazis when it comes to projections.

Schadrach Mar 26, 2024

You know, the same point homophobes make to not serve gay people.

Except the cases about homophobes refusing to serve gay people aren’t about refusing to serve gay people generally - they’re about refusing to engage in speech they oppose on commission. The case with the homophobic baker wasn’t refusing to sell a gay couple a cake off the shelf - they were refusing to accept a commission to create a custom cake, and a lot of their argument was over whether or not a cake design is speech in the same way an artwork is and whether the 1st Amendment trumps anti-discrimination laws.

TimewornTraveler Mar 26, 2024

Serious reading comprehension issue

Hi new guy in the convo doint point your guns at me just wanted to point out the irony of you saying this after openly admitting you wouldn’t even read the other person’s comment in full

AdmiralShat Mar 26, 2024

Which isn’t a reading comprehension issue and isn’t irony.

TimewornTraveler Mar 26, 2024

Sounds like you don’t really understand either very well then. Get off your intellectual high horse. We’re not debating the definition of irony like it’s 2003. And if you can’t see how in your case your reading comp issues don’t count but in their case they’re having some sort of personal failing then I don’t know what to tell you. Since you’re so smart why don’t you go read up on the self-serving bias so you can throw that term around later without engaging in introspection too.

AdmiralShat Mar 27, 2024

Now this is irony, actually, you’re so wrapped up in your own idea of pseudo intellectualism that when you’re challenged at all by anything you shit yourself

You need a nap? Maybe a time out?

my_hat_stinks Mar 26, 2024

Workers having rights does not force employers to employ and associate with Nazis.

GrapesOfAss Mar 26, 2024

Then explain where the line is.

my_hat_stinks Mar 26, 2024

I’d say somewhere far beyond having a second job but not nearly as far as hate speech. If you’re confused about the concept I suggest you check out how labour laws in most developed nations.

nomous Mar 26, 2024

You didn’t answer their question at all, just tried to dodge it by talking about labor laws lol.

my_hat_stinks Mar 26, 2024

The only question there was where to draw the line, which I answered. Hate and other illegal stuff past the line, legal stuff not.

nomous Mar 26, 2024

So just being a Nazi is fine as long as they don’t commit any crimes?

my_hat_stinks Mar 26, 2024

If there’s no hate it’s questionable to call someone a Nazi. If hate is okay where you are that’s an entirely separate issue and trampling workers’ rights is not the solution.