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@clifff Looks like that quote was edited out unless I’m missing something.

clifff Mar 6, 2024

@chopaganda It’s in the video, not the text

@clifff Ahh. Less sketch

clifff Mar 6, 2024

@chopaganda I mean, pretty sketch tho

@clifff Also true

@clifff @chopaganda Eggy would never

@chris @clifff They’re such good boys.

@clifff I hope they have good lawyers

@LostReflector @clifff why? Is that illegal or something?

@chris @clifff they are 100% getting sued about all of this

Pete ⭕️

Mar 6, 2024

@LostReflector @chris @clifff particularly the part where it’s a real tell that they were trying to hide it “..for a side project”. Bruh, keep it on the DL

@Phreba @LostReflector @clifff jambands committing fraud. Sad!

Pete ⭕️

Mar 6, 2024

@chris @LostReflector @clifff the maga of hambands.

aburtch Mar 6, 2024

@Phreba @chris @LostReflector @clifff Love this conversation, but you guys are acting like it's some kind of company that subject to the rule of law. It's a band. Just look at the Byrds for goodness sake. They had a lineup like a rotating door, kicking people out, getting new people in at whim and for no reason. Backstabbing infighting, the whole nine yards.

Is there some kind of 'jamband kangaroo court' that's going to legislate all these hurt feelings? I don't think so.

@aburtch @Phreba @chris @clifff some bands have written contracts and agreements

@aburtch @Phreba @chris @clifff which, if we are being cynical, supports the Industry Plant Theory in some way

@LostReflector @aburtch @Phreba @clifff the plot thickens

@chris @LostReflector @aburtch @Phreba @clifff No one is getting sued. Anything that happened—on both sides—leading to Ben getting kicked out was put clearly in the past once they reached a financial agreement for Ben leaving.

@chopaganda @LostReflector @aburtch @Phreba @clifff I'm suing everyone in this thread!

@chopaganda @chris @aburtch @Phreba @clifff I'd like to think you are right but we shall see

@LostReflector @chris @aburtch @Phreba @clifff I guess you never know. I just think it’s odd they got to a point of releasing simultaneous PR statements without a settlement. And I can’t imagine a settlement was reached without provisions to prevent future lawsuits.

Then again, if the band wasn’t completely forthcoming in the settlement negotiation, I’m not sure how that affects things. That would have been quite stupid on their part. Then again, hambands gonna hamband

Matt Taylor Mar 6, 2024

@chopaganda @LostReflector @chris @aburtch @Phreba @clifff The right to sue was generally lost once a settlement agreement was reached regarding the buyout and dissociation of an ownership share member of the band (presuming the rumor that the band is formed in an LLC with shares/etc). Only a misrepresentation so severe that it leads to damages/injury of Ben would allow litigation to survive past pleadings. I don’t think this meets that level if it’s only the audition lie.

@mattotaylor @LostReflector @chris @aburtch @Phreba @clifff That makes sense. So what you’re saying is there would have to be a mounting amount of evidence that Ben got fucked way more than he thought he did when he was at the negotiation table?

Matt Taylor Mar 6, 2024

@chopaganda @mattotaylor @LostReflector @chris @aburtch @Phreba @clifff with the huge caveat that we don’t know the actual legal structure of the band or the nature of the representations made. Most misrepresentations that are litigated are future contracts/values/earnings. For example, per se that Goose was in negotiations to sign a multi million dollar contract and they never told Ben’s attorney. Or they were going to sell rights to a song for big money without disclosure.

Rosey Mar 6, 2024

@LostReflector @aburtch @Phreba @chris @clifff The lawyers are done, everything’s been negotiated by now, and Ben signed a NDA. That’s the most likely scenario. The band is a for-profit legal entity, whether formally incorporated or not. there’s a ton of IP and copyright rights that had to be sorted, Ben owned a piece, and they paid him for it.

@Rosey @aburtch @Phreba @chris @clifff aww why you gotta go and get Real Lawyerly on us? but seriously I am almost certain there is a lawsuit coming, however frivolous it may end up being

Rosey Mar 6, 2024

@LostReflector @aburtch @Phreba @chris @clifff There is a scene in Some Kind of Monster where Hetfield and Lars announce they’re giving the new bass player an equal share in Metallica. There was a lot of paperwork and, if I recall, tax consequences.

Pete ⭕️

Mar 6, 2024

@Rosey @LostReflector @aburtch @chris @clifff I find this topic fascinating. Part of me sees this as what’s the big deal and then I remember that Ben’s a founding member of this band. So, I wonder what type of deal he’s negotiated. Just hope he’s getting some sort of royalty in perpetuity.

Rosey Mar 6, 2024

@Phreba @LostReflector @aburtch @chris @clifff I haven’t dug into how Goose handles songwriting and publishing credits, but Ben either got bought out and paid, or he’ll get his $ in the future or file a lawsuit like @LostReflector says. He’ll make good money from Goose. (Still shitty to burn him like they did.)

@LostReflector @clifff nice