When Apple remembers to make new iPads again (any day now.), one thing I'd really like to see is an end to the baby apps. I don't want a stripped-down, half-assed 'iPad experience’ for anything. It's been fourteen years and I'm so over it. Give me real desktop-class apps across iPadOS and visionOS, feature for feature, that can scale all the way up to power a 5K External Display or spatial computing workstation.

A reorderable toolbar doesn't make for a 'desktop-class app’.

@stroughtonsmith Xcode for iPad and visionOS
@deeje @stroughtonsmith …and a proper local terminal that I can install things into.

@deeje @stroughtonsmith yes, exactly

if you can't write and distribute software on it, it's not really a proper computer

and i want to see them make Xcode on iPad with 100% SwiftUI without bailing out to UIKit

because if it can't make the most difficult studio UIs it's not really a proper UI framework

@leon @deeje I really don't want to wait until some mythical future where SwiftUI is good enough to power the entire Xcode UI before Apple puts Xcode on iPadOS and visionOS 😅 We don't need it to take another ten years
@stroughtonsmith I am a tad dismayed at the state of Logic on the iPad vs full OS X, especially with expansions like VSTs.
@stroughtonsmith Can I also get a switch to tell websites “no really, give me the ever-loving desktop version of the site, not the cut-down mobile site that’s missing the feature I’m trying to use? That would be nice.

@riotnrrd @stroughtonsmith to me this is the real issue!

If I’m forced into the mobile experience on websites - I have to go get a Mac!

@stroughtonsmith I feel like this year we will see an macOS optimized for the #iPad Pro's and Air with M1. The part I believe where #Apple is struggling is how do you maintain the simplicity of the device and also merge the benefits of the touch first experience with Finder. Its a big endeavor to balance.
@stroughtonsmith Any idea what’s stopping zoom from releasing a proper desktop class app for the iPad. Is the issue more with Apple or with Zoom?

@Abazigal @stroughtonsmith I would say it’s both: Zoom knows few people use an iPad as their primary work computer, so the target audience is limited. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.

As long as Apple themselves don’t bother porting their productivity apps to the iPad in a feature-complete way, serious professional work on iPad is a bit like gaming on tvOS: it works in theory, and there’s some niche enthusiasts, but Apple isn’t serious enough about pursuing that market to make it go mainstream.

@stroughtonsmith I'm not familiar with the internals of that product line, but could it be because they want to maintain some consistency between the pro versions (which look like small computers, with M1/M2 chips and 8-16 GB RAM) and the other versions (that look more like big phones, with lower end ARM cores and significantly less RAM)?

(I'm not saying it's a good justification, but I wonder if that plays a role!)

@jpetazzo @stroughtonsmith I think the hardware isn’t the bottleneck, 99% of the hurdles come from iPadOS software choices.
@markv @stroughtonsmith I'd think that running "real" modern apps on 4GB RAM with acceptable performance would be absolutely impressive, but at the same time, I'd be delighted to be proven wrong :)
@jpetazzo @markv @stroughtonsmith Final Cut already works only on M1/M2 iPads so it isn't impossible that other apps would make a similar cut

@stroughtonsmith Feels like that will never happen when Apple policy apparently remains “buy an iPhone and an iPad and a laptop and a desktop and we will make it easy for you to make them all talk to each other”.

Although given my recent experiences with Apple, the words “frustratingly inconsistently” would need to be in there somewhere.

@craiggrannell @stroughtonsmith We now have to add „and a spatial computer" to this list 😉
@stroughtonsmith Also, 27” iPads please. I want enough space for drawing.
@stroughtonsmith I agree, but I won’t be holding my breath. When Apple started putting M series chips in iPad Pro, they should have added desktop class capabilities to the OS and the apps. I hope visionOS doesn’t suffer the same stagnated fate.
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I bought a 12.9” iPad Pro a couple of years ago and seriously tried to like it (that I needed to try was probably a warning sign). Despite all the software improvements, trying to get anything done on it still feels like trying to swim in a snow suit.
@stroughtonsmith maybe we’ll be able to add music files to the music app one day. That’s one of my benchmarks
@stroughtonsmith Yes! I have an iPad and I don’t use it because the apps are just not what I want. I can use those on iPhone, which is always on me, and a lot lighter.
@stroughtonsmith You can't even build desktop-class apps in SwiftUI without a lot of hacks and workarounds. It's like they're somehow blind to that whole category.
@stroughtonsmith Requests like that are killing the iPad. It was meant to be a leisure computer, not an inadequate Microsoft Surface tablet competitor.
@mikecane there are two kinds of iPads, and they even have different UIs these days. One kind of iPad, the casual kind you're talking about, is doing great. The other kind is a miserable failure of imagination and wheel-reinvention
@stroughtonsmith Good! Let it die and leisure live on.