I'm a computer guy, and every time I watch a show that has anything to do with computers I'm always complaining that the writers are full of πŸ’© πŸ’” (That's not even a real IP address!).
I assume that cops, lawyers, and doctors are the same about cop, lawyer, and doctor shows respectively.

My question is, are there any shows that depict procedure faithfully?

For example, I've watched The Expanse, and I suspect that they run all of the physics by an expert to make the show more realistic.

@Red_Shirt_Dude @LibertyForward1 mr. robot is pretty good in this regard, takes some poetic license at points but is enjoyable nonetheless.
@Red_Shirt_Dude certainly every job I have ever had is annoyingly misrepresented on TV shows. Even bartending. I think its like how nobody ever says "hello" or "goodbye" on phone calls, or finishes a drink, or goes to the loo. And people only ever walk the dog or go jogging if there's a body to be discovered. TV world is a strange place.

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Orienteers finding stuff crops up a fair bit, but it happens. A serial killer was discovered in Australia when a mapper found a body and there was an IRA arms stash found by mappers in Macclesfield. I suppose now with modern techniques there are fewer folk pacing about woodland in fine detail.
The sport does not get much misrepresentation on TV, it is ignored.

@Red_Shirt_Dude I *loved* The Expanse for exactly this reason.
I mean it wasn't perfect, but I can think of only three things that were clearly wrong. Two are core concepts that we turn a blind eye to because they are foundational to the entire story universe. The third, though, is simply a special effects goof.

1) The Epstein Drive: Basically an impossibly efficient rocket engine. It doesn't break physics, but it is highly implausible engineering.

2) The Protomolecule: This stuff ignores the laws of physics in many ways, including faster-than-light communication, reactionless acceleration, and creating SciFi wormholes that can practically transport physical objects between star systems.

These two are fine since they're fundamental to the plot and to the general world building. The Expanse doesn't exist without them, everybody watching agrees not to complain about it. Hard science fiction almost always works like this.

3) A scene early in series one, where they're working on the exterior of a ship under acceleration. A character drops a crowbar. What would happen in real life is that the crowbar simply falls, exactly as if a worker on the outside of a skyscraper dropped something: gravity is indistinguishable from acceleration. However, the animators hired to create this special effect did not know this, and instead made the crowbar fly shoot off weirdly to the side. The writers and producers caught the error too late in the production process to do anything about it, and have apologised many times in interviews and their own podcasts.

And that's pretty much it. I used to follow Corey S James on the birdsite and they spent a LOT of time answering armchair physicists who thought they'd picked up a mistake or misunderstanding of physics. They were always wrong.

@uastronomer I'm in awe of this response. Boosting, simply because I'm in awe of this response.

Thank you!

@uastronomer @Red_Shirt_Dude 4. Pew pew sounds in vacuum! When I watched Expanse the second time I thought it would be way more dramatic with thrum of machinery and rail guns firing for interior shots, cut with silence for exterior shots. I wish they would do an alternative audio version with this.
@julianlawson @Red_Shirt_Dude Heh yeah, that's fair, although unrealistic audio is so common I don't even think about it anymore. It's a bit like how all swords, some knives and even a few axes, will make a loud, ringing metallic rasp sound whenever they move or are are touched by light, in anything made in the past 20 years. Foley is it's own beast!

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There’s a scene in Series 2 with a transport ship from Ganymede. The gravity in the airlock is switched off in the seconds before it operates. I think I missed that physics lesson too.
So there are occasional unforced errors but generally I agree: the writers and directors have made a good effort.

[Space Agency guy speaking: I endorse this series.]

@nick_appleyard @julianlawson @Red_Shirt_Dude Ah but I don't think that scene was in error!

The book did a better job of describing the mechanics of the situation - the TV version chose not to bother, and focus instead on the emotional impact on poor old Meng):

So they're under constant burn, hence "gravity". Most characters wear magnetic books which are very convenient for filming "On the float" scenes without needing special effects to show that they're in free fall. But crucially, the refugees don't have those.

So then the action begins:
1) They cut thrust. Refugees all begin drifting freely (including Meng on the other side of the airlock)
2) Pump out all the air from the airlock (the stuff is too precious to vent)
3) Open outer door
4) Engage RCS thrusters to translate the ship gently in the directions away from the airlock door. Refugees, with no bulkheads to catch them, stay put in space while the ship drifts away from them, clearing the airlock (saves the crew from having to go in there afterwards and manually heave the bodies out). From the ship's reference frame, which is our point of view in the audience, they seem to all spontaneously drift out into space.
4) Close the door, re-engage thrust, continue on their way.

@Red_Shirt_Dude the only TV show I've seen remotely accurately portray how scientists work and (mis)behave was a Canadian epidemiology show called Re:Genesis.

It wasn't perfect, but it felt like a real lab group and the virology was vetted by experts. That is, until the last season, which jumped the shark and was trash.

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@melissabeartrix So that whole "farting" thing was real? 😧

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Destroying computers by smashing the monitors, not thinking to unplug the internet when racing against a virus gaining access to the network - all things that drove me nuts as a teen hahah

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Dunno, man... 2001: A Space Odyssey, and Dark Star, covered entshitification fairly well...

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Cop shows are mostly state propaganda. Except the Wire and the Shield. Those are fairly realistic.

A realistic cop movie is Serpico.

@trabex I remember starting The Shield and giving up on it for some reason. I've watched The Wire 2 or 3 times now. Based on the fact that you've put those two in the same sentance, I'm willing to give The Shield another shot.

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I don't claim it's any fun. But it does realistically portray what police officers really do and are actually like.

Dexter is a fun cop show in which the protagonist is a forensic analyst who moonlights as a serial killer. Fun, but not realistic.

@Red_Shirt_Dude Veronica Mars (especially season 1 & 2) has some execptionally accurate photography and computer use. Especially in the use of Photoshop, photo enhancement within realistic limits, and copying files from computers with actual tools and taking about the right amount of time.

It's not even done pointedly or made a big deal of, it was just done for real by someone rather than set up by a graphics team for show.

@Red_Shirt_Dude The Expanse also had linguists consult to help construct the Belter creole for the show (the author of the books admits that languages aren't his strong suit). I think they may have done the same with the brief depiction of a Belter sign language (which uses much larger and more exaggerated movements, and doesn't use things like finger spelling, because that's hard to do when wearing a bulky spacesuit).

I also found it a fun detail that in one episode, they actually did use public domain music (all of Hank Williams' work is public domain as far as I know) as a depiction of Martian popular culture - because I would absolutely bet that Earth copyright holders wouldn't even pick up the phone for the Martian government. (And I'm sure Mars also has a thriving media piracy scene, though I don't think that ever comes up in the show or the books.)

As a sewist, I honestly cannot think of any shows or movies I've seen that have accurately shown the entire process, or even just parts of the process of making a garment from scratch to finished, and especially not with accurate time frames. Mostly, suit fitting scenes are the most likely to be kind of accurate (I can't remember what I saw that actually showed what the fitting pieces look like with all the basting thread's hanging out, but that was a detail I appreciated) . If they're out there, I haven't seen them, though I don't actively seek them out.

But I'm sure that's true of a lot of crafts shown in movies.

OTOH, as is well-known, Breaking Bad consulted with law enforcement (the DEA, I think) to ensure that they didn't get too accurate in their depiction of the process of making illegal drugs.

Less well-known is that Robert De Niro's character in Heat was based on a real person (of the same name too!) and the famous coffee shop scene was based on a real interaction with a detective who was trying to catch him out doing something illegal. Most of the heists and related events in the film are based in real life events. (And then, awkwardly, Heat has apparently inspired a few later criminals too. I guess that's the price you pay for accuracy?) But I'm told that's what Michael Mann is known for.

@dartigen I *love* the way the belters talk koyo! When done well, creating jargon and slang for a show adds an ineffable quality. I'm thinking of Firefly and Altered Carbon but this happens in really good shows all of the time.
@Red_Shirt_Dude I think the language constructed for the show would be pretty usable as a conlang if not for how the show hasn't really given audiences enough of it to work with (at least from last time I looked into it, but by that time it was possible to do a Belter cover of Highway Star and have it pretty much work). I'm not sure where the show is at - I think they were only going to continue for a couple more seasons since that would then run out the book series, but I'm hoping that once it finishes the production team releases all of the notes and stuff on the Belter language they put together. I bet there's loads of vocabulary that never made it into the show.

@Red_Shirt_Dude An interesting hacker series is The Undeclared War. To make hacking/programming more interesting, they do a sort of 'mind palace' visualization structure.

The expanse they take a number of poetic departures, but there is one specific scene that drove me bonkers (and didn't annoy anyone else). In a scene where something is spinning for 'gravity', outer space is above them, and the center of rotation is below. Why it bugs me so much, no idea.

@Red_Shirt_Dude imho The IT Crowd's depiction of computer guys is πŸ’―πŸƒβ€β™€οΈπŸ€­

@Red_Shirt_Dude Mr robot is the most realistic one I've seen.

(On a comment side, I've been working on set, and yes we can't put real IP's on screen, because nerds will try and abuse it, so yes we put some 256 in it, no real phone number either)

@defred @Red_Shirt_Dude Why not just use a Loopback address like 127.x?
@atlan @Red_Shirt_Dude we do too, but I've always felt it was too obvious, the 42.128.12.256 looks more neat even if it's stupid
@Red_Shirt_Dude Halt and Catch Fire is relatively accurate when it comes to IT/Hacking scenes.
@Red_Shirt_Dude the Big Bang Theory episode when Sheldon and Raj are thinking is pretty accurate
@Red_Shirt_Dude Since the fairly early days of television it became standard practice to deliberately include "mistakes" in crime stories or anything of that ilk out of fear of copycats. Cf. Rod Sterling's The Doomsday Flight.
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Pharmacist. Let me just say. Bond. FFS.

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I think that specifying the threshold of faithfulness that you desire (e.g. Expanse -- ignoring its declared departures from our physics -- has the "Roci running silent" sequence that is unrealistic at least in timescales) might net you very different answers.

There are various semi-historical or semi-documentary series that might fit your bill. From The Earth To The Moon is one such (the faithfulness complaints I had about it were minor and not about realism, but about faithful reproduction of actual space hardware[1]). I haven't watched more than excerpts of Masters of the Air, but ones I've seen suggest that it's realistic.

[1] of the sort "this is not how you switch the LM descent engine off, doing that would have no effect"

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@Red_Shirt_Dude Most dramatic representations of medical things are quite inaccurate. That seems especially true in my specialty, psychiatry, where the representation of a psychiatrist is often evil or more in need of therapy than their patient and all patients can have their serious brain diseases cured by someone just listening to them.

Listening is, of course, hugely important but it’s usually just the beginning of a complicated assessment diagnostic & treatment process.

@Red_Shirt_Dude The Expanse is one of very few shows that get orbital mechanics at least plausibly right.

As for the other genres you mention, I suspect it's necessary to cut out some of the more boring parts if the show is to be watchable at all (true for most computer related plots too). Whether the result can still be considered faithful is probably a matter of debate, if such a show even exists.

@Red_Shirt_Dude Maybe not 100% - I have only watched the first couple episodes but; The Bear does a very good job of projecting the chaos and stress of life in a professional kitchen. I could only watch the first episodes because it kept stressing me out. It took me back to so many stressful, chaotic, and intense memories it was something like what I assume PTSD feels like.
@Red_Shirt_Dude you mean every website isn't a .html file saved in a folder in the desktop? 🀯
@Red_Shirt_Dude Inventing Anna was pretty accurate in terms of being a journalist...
@Red_Shirt_Dude this is going to hurt, on UK BBC chimed with my time as a junior doc! Not sure if it's available elsewhere. It's on the UK iPlayer so may be

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@siracusa coined this the Plumber Problem

@Red_Shirt_Dude I'm not sure how much Daniel Abraham and Ty Francksweated the physics. I remember one of them was asked how the Epstein drive worked, and the answer was "Pretty good."