@realSiegfried @SheDrivesMobility
Eigentlich haben wir, um genau so eine Situation zu verhinden, sowas wie die wehrhafte Demokratie und die Möglichkeit, undemokratische Parteien zu verbieten.
Die große Schwachstelle dabei: Man hatte nicht damit gerechnet, dass in einer ähnlichen Situation diese Mittel einfach nicht eingesetzt werden.
Eigentlich bräuchten wir eine Art "Automatismus", bei dem verdächtige Parteien und Gruppierungen z.B. innerhalb von 60 Tagen zu prüfen sind und für diese Zeit sämtliche Mittel und Rechte der entsprechenden Partei und ihrer Vertreter eingefroren werden.
Sprich: Ein Prozess, den man als Politiker oder Beamter nicht verschlafen oder verzögern kann.
@realSiegfried @SheDrivesMobility
Das würde ich gerne als Aufkleber an jeden Laternenpfahl in meiner Reichweite kleben!
Hat jemand eine Idee für einen Sponsor der eine größere Auflage an Aufklebern finanzieren würde?
@realSiegfried @SheDrivesMobility
Bei den letzten Wahlen, Landes und Kommunalwahlen, gab es in meinem Wahlbezirk eine Wahlbeteiligung von 38% und die AFD hat 23% der Stimmen bekommen!
Dringlichkeit besteht also!
Ach ja, es begab sich in Westdeutschland, Niedersachsen, Nord, nicht in Nazideutschland, Ost!
#NieWiederIstJetzt #Antifa
#WirSindDieBrandmauer
Gute Idee!
Und am besten in Gebieten mit grossem Migrationshintergrund nicht auf Deutsch (z.B: Berlin-Kreuzberg, Türkisch).
Es sollte layouttechnisch noch auffälliger werden.--Im Straßenverkehr gibt es viel Ablenkung.
[Und eigentlich müsste man den #NoAfD-Sympatisanten entgegenschmettern:
@realSiegfried @SheDrivesMobility
Nazis geben ihre Menschenrechte bei der Wahl ab.
Sie wollen es so.
@CCS @SheDrivesMobility Dumm nur, dass Nicht-Nazis dann auch ohne Demokratie dastehen.
Als Nazi musst du nur eine Wahl gewinnen.
@realSiegfried @SheDrivesMobility
Ja, das ist tatsächlich dumm.
'33 haben die Konservativen die nötige Zweidrittel Mehrheit für das Ermächtigungsgesetz gebracht.
#1933 #Nazis #German #History #democracy #fascism
Like #Caesar, shortly before being murdered in the #Senate: "Beware of the Ides of March!"
Consider yourself warned!
#NeverAgainIsNow!
#NieWiederIstJetzt
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The chart below summarizes how very little time #Hitler needed to abolish democracy and have the first #Jews deported to a #ConcentrationCamp: 👉less than only three months!👈
*Timeline:*
30.01.1933: Hitler is appointed as...
Angehängt: 1 Bild @[email protected] Es ging so erschreckend brutal schnell! Selbst wenn wir heute bessere Mechanismen zu haben glauben, dürfen wir nicht tatenlos riskieren, dass sie überwunden werden könnten.
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...Reich Chancellor [Prime Minister]
01.02.1933: the #Reichstag [Parliament of the #WeimarRepublic] is dissolved
04.02.1933: Restrictions on freedom of assembly and freedom of the press
[5 weeks only!]
27.02.1933: Reichstag on fire
13.03.1933: Foundation of the Ministry of Propaganda
22.03.1933: First prisoners in Dachau concentration camp
23.03.1933: #EnablingAct "#Ermächtigungsgesetz"
End of democracy.
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Am I misremembering things that neither the NAZI Party, nor Hitler, ever received a majority of votes in Germany prior to Hitler's appointment as Reich Chancellor?
@jrredho @HistoPol Yes, that is true. At least speaking of legal elections.
(But keep in mind that you cannot directly compare the German system of electing a chancellor with electing a president in the USA. It was not necessary to win a real majority of all citizens to become chancellor.) 1/2
(Picture source:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/File%3AParti_Nazi_aux_%C3%A9lections_l%C3%A9gislatives.svg
@jrredho @HistoPol In the current German democracy it is still uncommon that the Chancellor got the majority of all citizens. All German citizens vote for a party and represantitives, regardless of a regional majority like states. Then the party with the most votes tries to find coalition with other parties. Together they get majority in Bundestag and nominate the chancellor.
This has been similar in 193x, so Hitler became chancellor, because other politicians gave him power.
Thanks for updating me on this!
I didn't recall that he had as much support as he did in those later elections, so this has been a bit of a learning experience.
Also, surely all of those parliamentary elections in such a short time interval is a sign of how unstable the times were in the 1930s?
As I think about this, my (possibly faulty) memory is that Hitler was appointed Reich Chancellor by then-German President von Hinderburg and not by any political coalition.
I do realize that this was a turbulent time in German politics, so I'm sure it was more politically nuanced than this 10th grade (USA) world history class view.
Some friends who are German have told me some of the aspects of its parliamentary elections. It made it sound very modern to me.
@jrredho @HistoPol Afaik Hitler did not need a coalition, true. The big mistake was that other politicians thought they had control over him.
What makes me wonder about the elections in the USA is that only the majority in a state is relevant. If your voice is the minority in your state, it has no value at all. In Germany all votes count to give the number of seats a party gets in Bundestag. And of course, back in our first republic as well as today more than 2 parties are relevant.
As many either never knew or don't remember anymore how #Hitler and his party, the #NSDAP, came to lead the federal government, I've just written a "prequel" to my thread on the Death of Democracy in the #WeimarRepublic, based on an official document:
@jrredho
#WeimarRepublic #DEhistory #ThirdReich
This is, in principle, correct, but the context is important:
1) In a (pluralistic) #ParliamentaryDemocracy, a #CoalitionGovernment is the norm, as tgey reflect society much better than 1st-Past-The-Post-Systems (e. g. US, UK.)
2.) At the beginning of the #GreatDepression, in 1930, the last such government collapsed on the vital question of unemployment-insurance reform:
@HistoPol @realSiegfried
https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/114868019046533982.
3.) AFAIC, the #Weimar constitution lacked a minimum-votes party threshold (today 5% in DE.) The number of parties in the #Reichstag was far too numerous for a stable coalition in such a crisis-ridden period.
4.)After that collapse of that Grand Coalition, the parliamentary majorities simply could not found anymore...until the Nov. 6 elections of 1932.
5.) The Reich President therefore used his @jrredho @realSiegfried
@jrredho
#WeimarRepublic #DEhistory #ThirdReich
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This is, in principle, correct, but the context is important:
1) In a (pluralistic) #ParliamentaryDemocracy, a #CoalitionGovernment is the norm, as they reflect society much better than #WinnerTakesAll/ #FirstPastThePost systems (e. g. US, UK.)
2.) At the beginning of the #GreatDepression, in 1930, the last such government collapsed on the vital question of unemployment-insurance reform:
@realSiegfried
https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/114868019046533982.
3.) AFAIC, the #Weimar constitution lacked a minimum-votes party threshold (today 5% in DE.) The number of parties in the #Reichstag was far too numerous for a stable coalition in such a crisis-ridden period.
4.)After that collapse of that Grand Coalition, the parliamentary majorities simply could not found anymore...until the Nov. 6 elections of 1932.
5.) The Reich President therefore used his @jrredho @realSiegfried
extensive emergency 🚨 powers-- vested in him by the immature #Weimar constitution, and named 4 consecutive, volatile #PresidentialCabinets, always at the mercy of the #Reichstag, in only two years.
And then it happened:
"After the [Nov. 6, 1932] election, 👉#Hindenburg offered #Hitler the opportunity to form a parliamentary majority government. 👈
[So, for the first time since the collapse in 1930, 👉a regular #CoalitionGovernment would have been @HistoPol @realSiegfried @jrredho
possible👈, as the #NSDAP the strongest faction in parliament with 33.1 percent of the vote.]
However, [#Hiler,] the #NSDAP chairman 👉demanded the
leadership of a presidential cabinet – #Hindenburg refused👈 and subsequently appointed the independent #KurtVonSchleicher as Reich Chancellor. But this chancellorship was also short-lived...
👉 On January 30, 1933, #Hitler achieved his goal: #Hindenburg appointed him Reich Chancellor [of the 5th @realSiegfried @jrredho
#PresidentialCabinet] and dissolved the #Reichstag again.👈
👉 #Hitler's calculation that he would win an absolute majority in the subsequent elections on March 5 did not work out, but the gains for the #NSDAP were enormous: 43.9 percent of the votes cast went to the NSDAP.👈... "
https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/114868019256587046
In contrast, on yet another fatal November election, almost 92 years later, another totalitarian leader, #DonaldTrump, the @realSiegfried @jrredho
reincarnation of the 1940's #US #Fascist party (#AmericaFirst) did, in contrast, win the congressional majorities (Senate: 53/47, House: 220/2015.)
https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2024:_U.S._Congress
This was enabled by a dualistic, unfairer #ElectoralSystem, the #US' #WinnerTakeAll system.
In contrast to a variant of the puralistic, fairer system of #ProportionalRepresentation.
Here is a comparison to the US system of #WinnerTakeAll (or #FirstPastThePost in the #UK:)
https://protectdemocracy.org/work/proportional-representation-explained/
https://protectdemocracy.org/work/proportional-representation-explained/
History rhymes, but does not repeat itself. Also, it does seem to have a sick sense of humor at times.
We keep learning this lesson over and over and over, again and again. We don't need to dissect the German Nazi era to tell us that.
What we need that for is to figure a way to counter the playbook that era lays out for fascist movements.
In some ways, it's worse than that.
There was a USA Federal court trail on the Christian nationalist/Nazi movement and its particulars in the USA that occurred between the mid-1920's and the early 1940's. We have the report (https://archive.org/details/the-official-german-report) documenting that trial and what led to it..
So, even when the experience is local, it appears that folks can still follow it with success. But it seems no one has figured out how to counter such a movement. :(
LOL.
I'm quite impressed that you know about this report! Very few people do / used to:
I should also say that I get, broadly, how parliamentary governments are different from the system in the USA.
I'm sure that there are numerous nuances far beyond what I can learn.
@jrredho
This is not quite correct:
As I've sumed up in my thread on the 1933 elections of the late #WeimarRepublic...
https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/110097936019841276
...the #NSDAP did not *yet* achieve a majority in the final (somewhat) free elections of February, 1933.
They did so ever after abolishing #Democracy in the November elections: the electorate could only vote for a "unity list: "
Here is a chart of their election results:
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