If relentless overwork and non-stop hustling were the keys to success and happiness, our beloved ‘hustle bros’ would be too enraptured with their owning blissful achievements to bother policing everyone else's work hours.
But, here they fucking are, fervently advocating a grind culture and shaming anyone who isn't work obsessed.
Begs the question: if they’ve found the secret to happiness, why are they so preoccupied with our work schedules instead of enjoying their supposed dream lives?
@Daojoan so to be clear his advice is build awful habits early because you know later you'll need to have good habits.
That's also what we teach with playing a musical instrument, so that checks out. Proceed.
@coolandnormal @Daojoan Exactly this. Someone here on Mastodon talked about how she got a job where they expect her to work at a reasonable pace for a normal-length shift, and it was leaving her extremely anxious. IIRC she was considering quitting because she wasn't sure she could get used to it.
Employers would prefer to hire people that get twitchy when things slow down, despite the toll of that kind of environment.
I certainly agree with Marcelo ... but only if during that "work your butt off period," we are paid well, have 30 paid vacation days a year, free health care and a pension/401k.
That would be a good start. Until then, why would I care about a company who just wants to profit off my hard work and won't provide an environment where I can thrive both financially and healthwise?
@Daojoan in my lab, there’s one PhD candidate who has never been on a date, lives with his aunt so he doesn’t have to pay rent, and is miserable. In an adjacent lab, there’s another PhD candidate who is dating a guy, has a fulfilling social life, is going on 2 trips this year, and their combined parents gave them $250000 for a down payment and they own a home at 27.
Who worked harder?
They just don't take it far enough. Put in all the hard work to smash capitalism in your 20s, and for the rest of your life enjoy the benefits. 😁
It's a perspective, he gets to share it. He's not evil just because he's sharing what's worked for him.
Him posting this publicly certainly doesn't constitute him being "preoccupied" with my work schedule or yours. Details of same are highly unlikely to be anywhere on his radar screen.
If someone WANTED to be a CEO (and that is NOT an evil thing to want) this is actually very good advice.
Judge not. This bothers *him.* He didn't say it bothered anyone else. He said it was his pov.
@fruitywelsh If they really had it made, they wouldn’t need to keep working for more. If that were so, and they weren’t selfish, they’d have no reason to predictably sell bootcamp workshops, consulting, etc. for thousands of dollars to the sort of people with thousands of dollars to spend (they could simply post their courses online for free, to help the most people who are in the most need.)
So generally either they don’t have it made, are actually selfish, or perhaps … both?
@fruitywelsh I come from a finance space. I know the taxonomy of people interested in helping, paid or not, vs. interested in something else - like whipping their MLM downline, or their myriad employees, to grind for the next couple quarters' returns, so their golden parachute inflates that much more.
The devils in the latter category need no advocates.
For specificity, a billionaire group VC for Shein, ex-CEO of Sprint & Softbank, ex-chair at WeWork - above - is definitionally devil-tier.
@Daojoan “Hustle hard early in your career!!!”
Same people “why is no one having children…”
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Their key to happiness is to take other people’s work as their own. The Bros push the work hard culture for personal benefit as a means to exploit the more vulnerable.
If you come from nothing and nowhere you take what you can get. It’s only later when you look back at the weddings you missed you realise that 1.25x work load on four people is actually work for five people where you freely give the hours. You pay for the fifth.
On the flip side they will also sack you and say it’s business and not personal. If that’s true then surely saying ‘no I won’t’ is a business decision.
It’s exploitation and thank goodness for the current kids who say ‘fuck that!’ Well done them!
Some people just need bigger glasses, or maybe psychological help, to see better.
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I think he's not completely crazy: it can make sense to work your ass off for 2-3 years to have a nest-egg.
But nowadays the housing-market is such that for many young people even working hard for 20years doesn't give them a chance to buy a home and start a family.
All it does is let their boss get used to them pulling 60hour weeks. So might as well pull back, work the bare minimum to survive, and enjoy life.
Because the secret to happiness is conning other people into working hard for you.
@Daojoan I tell my young colleagues to only work as hard as they need to do to get a reasonable amount of work done for their employer in a reasonable time, but no more. Sure, there are times when you have to knuckle down to push a project through that takes more than that. But, if your boss won’t recognise that is a special situation and lets you make up the time off later, look for another job or another boss.
A good boss recognises loyalty and hard work and looks after your welfare. I’ve been lucky to have some like that, but friends haven’t. It’s you first. Don’t let them take advantage of you. If it’s the sort of organisation that does, they don’t care, so get out as soon as you can.
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