If you think big fines work on #BigTech, think again.

Google, Apple, Meta, Amazon, and Microsoft generated enough revenue in the past 7 days to pay off their fines for 2023.

Taking advantage of your privacy is so lucrative, that these fines are nothing more than the cost of doing business.

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Big tech fines in 2023 totalled $3bn for breaking laws on both sides of the Atlantic.

Here's a breakdown of long it took them to pay off their respective fines:

🔎 Google: $941 million – 1 day 4 hours
📦 Amazon: $111.7 million – 2 hours
👓 Meta: $1.72 billion – 5 days 13 hours
🍏 Apple: $186.4 million – 4 hours
🪟 Microsoft: $84 million – 3.5 hours

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It's you, the consumer, that's losing out – it's your privacy that's at risk when #BigTech puts their profits first. That means higher prices, less choice, and no privacy.

💰 Fines paid by Proton in 2023: $0.

End-to-end encryption makes it impossible for us to access or collect your data with Proton Mail, Proton Calendar, Proton Drive, Proton VPN and Proton Pass.

@protonmail like and appreciate what Proton is doing, but the Android app in particular is woefully feature poor and forward progress is glacial.
@arw Hi there, we have a rewritten android app currently in beta.
@protonmail From November 22, 2022, hence glacial.

@protonmail

This shows how much power we have as users to make these guys really hurt just by not using their products or by using alternatives.

e.g.:

Healing from your own consumerism will not only make you happier, it hurts Amazon.

Meta is mostly addiction-ware. Work on your inner self and you wont need it. Again life gets better. OK Whatsapp is good.

Block ads and tracking = hurt Google.

I never use Apple. It is nice tho 😅.

Microsoft makes nothing of value. Just use Mac or Linux 😛

@protonmail
Disclosure: I'm a FastMail customer

Proton Mail and Fast Mail are in neck and neck race with me. Will Proton Mail get an employee union first? Or will Fast Mail add effortless End-to-End Encryption to their service? Whichever wins the race possibly has a lifetime customer in me. I would switch from FastMail to Proton Mail if you had an employee union already.

ALSO, that's probably a x2 offer since husband asked me 3 days ago to help him switch from "Big Mail" to another offering and decided on Fast Mail since that's what I picked in 2023. I got lucky that I picked the one that would later start to unionize.

Do better, Proton Mail! I believe in you! You're so close!

#TechUnions #ChoicesMatter #ProtonMail #FastMail

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@protonmail Thank you! I have been telling people for over a decade that many of these amounts only equate to hours and in some cases, their shareholders expect these fines as the price of doing business.

@protonmail
I see it this way: the base modifier on fines should rise (automatically, codified) for each company by the amount how fast they made back the fines, and the maximum cap to match the top earner.

F.e.:
Google's base modifier should go up 312.86 times (365×24/(24+4)).
Maximum cap: Amazon made 55.85/h. So the cap should from this year be 489.246×10³ billion (yep, almost 500 trillion US unfunny-money).

P.S. Do check my math, just in case.
CC: Europarlament

@protonmail It's a problem that media reports these fines in absolute numbers. They sound so big, they risk getting people to sympathize with the tech companies and turn against the governments, much like that famous McDonald's coffee incident. They should report them as percentages of income or, as you, as time.

@protonmail Agreed. I think we need to stop trying to financially punish these big tech companies. They have lawyers that are smarter, faster, and better than elected officials and will find ways around regulation each and every time.

The regulations only hurt the little guy that just happened to be in the line of fire.

Instead, I think we should work to foster innovative companies that are finding unique solutions to combat big tech's invasive practices.

Yes, Proton, you are one of those. 😁

@damngoodtech @protonmail In the EU US businesses will abide by the rules or face sanctions. In the US it may be possible to buy politicians and legislation and capture regulators. It isn't true to anything like the same extent in the EU. EU regulations evolve and they do so democratically.
@samueljohnson @protonmail Definitely. My argument, though (and Proton's, I think) is that they are ineffective and not worth pouring time & energy into.

@damngoodtech @protonmail Disagree.

The EU has, overall, a well regulated single market, something far ahead of the US:

https://fsi.stanford.edu/events/why-europe%E2%80%99s-single-market-surpassed-america%E2%80%99s

There isn't the slightest chance that the EU is going to abandon it instead of further improving it.

Why Europe’s Single Market Surpassed America’s

@damngoodtech @samueljohnson @protonmail Fines are ineffective in one of two reasons: either they are not paid, or they are too small. In this case the point is that they are ridiculously small.

The solution is to make real fines that actually hurt those companies if they don't comply.

Also antitrust, but I guess it would have to come from the US government (?) and is very hard to do once those companies are as powerful as they are now. Maybe that ship has sailed already.

@protonmail Maybe time to start fining them on the basis of how quickly they can pay it off? e.g. they get fined, say, a years profits based on the last years figures, regardless of what that sum is. That might make them pause?
@protonmail seems like a big absolute number, but they don't seem to have learned any lessons tho. Perhaps they need bigger fines.
@protonmail that's why big companies need to be SPLIT UP when they get too big. The FTC should do more of that, but they don't.

@protonmail

Corporate fines should always be proportional to *gross* receipts. That’s the only way to make them truly deterrent.
Take all the ‘law and order’ measures that conservatives promote for actual people and apply the to corporations: punitive fines and penalties that leave the payor destitute, the death penalty… I’m good with all of it for fictional ‘persons’.

@protonmail bit fines do work actually, but a trillion dollar company getting a 1 billion dollar fine is the equivalent of me getting a few cent fine, it’s nothing, make the fine 20% of their total revenue and watch them hurt
@protonmail States don't protect us from capital. 
@protonmail That's why I love the way EU was going with fines as percentage of global revenue. That has the potential to actually hurt them.
@protonmail so not really big fines at all.
Big is relative. We are all middle school kids thinking about finances based on a 10$ a week allowance going “gee wiz a 100$ fine is brutal” gasp, while the executive making $10,000 a week just smirks
@protonmail …and that’s why the fines need to scale with profits, IMO; the fiscal equivalent of being hit in the head with *multiple* bricks; maybe just dissolve a company; if companies want to be people, then they can be subject to financial capital punishment; Monetarily execute that corporation.
@protonmail There's no source cited for any of this information.
Big Tech has already made enough money in 2024 to pay all its 2023 fines | Proton

Big Tech (Alphabet, Amazon, Apple, Meta, and Microsoft)'s annual revenue dwarfs total fines. The cost for privacy is insignificant to them.

Proton
@protonmail revenues are not profits. Your point is good but you undermine the argument by unnecessary sensationalism
@protonmail
Reminder that Protonmail is under Swiss jurisdiction and foreign governments can request metadata such as who you sent emails to, IP addresses, and date and time, as the French did for ecological activists, and got it.
@davep Let us also clarify that all communication services are legislated to a degree in every country and that Swiss legislation is superior to most when it comes to privacy. Additionally, Proton contests every legal request we can, and we have also strengthened the protection of our users' privacy through a court victory against the Swiss government: https://proton.me/blog/court-strengthens-email-privacy
Swiss court ruling strengthens privacy for email providers | Proton

A Swiss court has ruled that Proton Mail, as an email service, is not a telecommunications provider, meaning we are not subject to a telecommunications provider’s enhanced data retention obligations.

Proton

@protonmail
I knew about the Swiss legal situation a decade ago, and it (along with other things) was the reason I didn't set up my security minded system.

Your users were not aware of the risks until it hit the media. You should be highlighting them instead of minimising them so people can decide to use your products or not based on their threat model.

Ideally, you should be looking at removing all metadata you can in order to make the warrants less useful

@davep @protonmail

Be sure to use the .ch instead of .com, protip.

@infosec_jcp @protonmail It's Swiss judges that can give data to foreign governments, so that makes little difference.

@davep @protonmail

Checks and balances are an extra step. 💯✓