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Casey LissHow is it the year 2024 and I cannot hand off current playback between my Mac and my iPhone?
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This was ambiguous of me.
I meant Music.app specifically, and for what it's worth, Spotify has been able to do this for **years**.
Aaron M@caseyliss yeah that would be nice. Given I either play through itunes/apple music on my phone or my windows computer though, probably never happening for me 😂
monkeydom, Ar.T@caseyliss I mean. If you add a song as "play next" on an apple HomePod it skips a bit of the current song. Still. I’m beyond expecting anything from apple in that regard. They just gave up or never really tried. Sigh.
And don't get me started with the play state of my apple tv + shows across devices. I'm still happy if I'm able to get to the show and episode manually if I have to.
Andrew Wade@caseyliss it is the one “gotcha” I tell people about when they ask me what the switch from Spotify to Music is like. It has helped dissuade about half of them from switching.
Please can 2024 be the year of a iOS clipboard manager and Music handoff? Pretty please?? Then Vision Pro or custom watch faces or whatever.
Please can 2024 be the year of a iOS clipboard manager and Music handoff? Pretty please?? Then Vision Pro or custom watch faces or whatever.
Fabien@caseyliss I keep wondering about that. Maybe some complication we don't see such as when several devices are used at the same time in the same account by different family members?
Kaleb@caseyliss This is one of the things I loved about switching from Music.app to Spotify over the last year. Often while working I'll be listening through my desk speakers then get up and move it to my AirPods/phone with no hassle
sayrer@caseyliss it is a bummer, especially since the AirPods do switch on their own. when I walk out of my office into the elevator, they switch to the phone, but the song really should keep going as well.
Patrick Toomey@caseyliss I fear it could be some ye old patent issue. This has also been a pending ask for Tidal Connect for years. Tidal is like 99% there since they have the same model as Spotify in terms of how their “casting" works. But, remote control/handoff between devices just still isn't a thing.
@ptoomey3 what Spotify does accomplished what I need fwiw
@caseyliss yeah yeah..maybe i was confusing…I meant that some folks have conjectured Spotify might have some patents in this space since seemingly nobody has replicated some of these handoff/remote control features which seem like obvious things other should copy.
@ptoomey3 ah. Maybe.
Jamie Blumberg@caseyliss My kingdom for a universal music queue like the TV app.
Zach Whittle@caseyliss Yes, I did spend way too long on this bad joke when I should have been working.
Awax@Cornman @caseyliss ERR_AUDIO_PLAYBACK_CHANGED
Heiji@caseyliss knew exactly what you meant and yes :(
I also wish I could use i.e. my iPhone to change musicplayback on my mac and so on like Spotify does it
On the other hand, spotify takes FOREVER to implement platform features😩
I also wish I could use i.e. my iPhone to change musicplayback on my mac and so on like Spotify does it
On the other hand, spotify takes FOREVER to implement platform features😩
Bryan Irace@caseyliss Truly bananas
@caseyliss I used to do this on Rdio in 2012!
John Voorhees@irace @caseyliss Bananas but also, Music is really just an iTunes skin, which explains a lot
@johnvoorhees @caseyliss Oh yes, but it’s bananas that Apple finds that acceptable
Gary Parker@caseyliss this annoyed the hell out of me when I first moved from Spotify to Apple Music. Turns out Spotify has it patented 🤷🏻♂️
Jimmy Wilson@caseyliss and I’m pretty certain rdio did it for years before Spotify. I don’t get why every music/video service doesn’t have this but if I had to guess it’s some legal/patent thing
James Brown@caseyliss I swear this worked once upon a time, but Sonoma broke Music.app in macOS (eg, shortcuts are all broken too)
Kevin Patrick Doyle 🍅🥫@caseyliss maybe when they switch to Mac OS band names from California we’ll get this feature
Patrick@Kevin @caseyliss It’ll be in macOS Letterkenny.
Mathew Schaffer@caseyliss Rdio had this feature and no one ever copied it
@mschaffer Spotify can do it
@caseyliss not worth using Spotify 😂
Imperator Nevadicus@caseyliss Need more RAM
Matt Christensen@caseyliss you kind of can, because Macs are now AirPlay receivers. You even get controls in the Now Playing dingus in the Menu Bar of the receiving Mac.
Sören@matt @caseyliss that’s AirPlay, not Handoff. Sort of the opposite. AirPlay sends from x to y. Handoff says “you’re at y; wanna take over from x?”
@chucker @caseyliss agreed, it’s not the exact same (that’s why I said “you kind of can”).
I do it all the time and since the Mac can play/pause, skip, seek, etc it’s almost all the benefit of true Handoff. When you leave the Mac, the iPhone still has the audio so it’s kind of like an automatic Handoff.
Not the exact same, but pretty slick ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
James J Malcolm@caseyliss works fine on Spotify 😏
Chancerubbage@caseyliss you HAVE used handoff successfully to your pleasure before, no?
For what ‘handoffs’ did handoff seem to work?
@Chancerubbage Safari, Messages, Mail
@caseyliss I think it is just a more difficult problem with large actively streaming data. Packet timing. Opening one door closing another.
Asynchronous services like a web url or email have natural pauses to switch the lever on the trolly rail.
@Chancerubbage tell that to my Sonos which can add/remove speakers on the fly with zero latency between them
@caseyliss I’m not sure what permission you would need to get handoff to hand off, but I can imagine scenarios when I don’t want the podcast on my phone to go to my MacBook. Or keep the music in the other room even.
Do you ‘give permission’ for a hand off? I often want my car Bluetooth to continue the podcast I’ve been listening to, but frequently Apple Music breaks line instead.
@Chancerubbage In actual Handoff™ scenarios, yes, it is a response to user action.
@caseyliss one solution would be to stream to the available devices anyway, but only adjust ‘Speaker Volume’ on proximity. Which may be a trick Sonos uses.
Personally I’m not certain I would want to automatically hand off audio streaming to a cpu which might be chugging along on something else at the time.
@Chancerubbage @caseyliss not stream the music. Copy the playlist, and the progress in the current song. Just a bunch of text, really.
Matt Banks@caseyliss Apple Music desperately needs Handoff / Continuity between iOS and macOS. After using YouTube Premium, it's even more apparent. Really hoping we can convince @Pschiller to get it added this year.
RudyJR13@caseyliss I’m just happy we can finally crossfade on the iPhone
Ertain@caseyliss Well that sucks.
Josh Rivers@caseyliss Wat? You can successfully play songs in Music.app on the Mac? You are already in the future I want to live in.
naoentendonada@caseyliss how is the year 2024 and my phone can’t show call history more than a couple months?
I have GIGABYTES of storage
I want my call history since 2007
I have GIGABYTES of storage
I want my call history since 2007
@naoentendonada with respect:
1) you may be the only person that wants that
2) that’s a very trick UX problem to solve
@caseyliss I agree with you that probably 2007 it’s only me, but I bet much more people may be interested in checking a received call from August.
As for the UI, burying a long list under Settings/Phone/Call History would be enough I think. I find interesting that the Phone app doesn’t store this metadata, or at least doesn’t allow you read it.
@naoentendonada that list could be thousands of items long for one month.
Now imagine how unmanageable that is for a decade+.
@caseyliss like Photos 😊
@naoentendonada Sure, but there are MANY affordances to slice and dice that data to make it more manageable.
@caseyliss I agree, that’s an interesting problem. Maybe the best approach would be to provide an API and let developers handle this, but - privacy.
Craig Hockenberry@caseyliss Ask the music industry and Apple Legal. I bet it’s a rights issue.
Jesse Atkinson@chockenberry @caseyliss Spotify does this just fine though. So I doubt that’s it.
@jsatk @caseyliss Spotify doesn't sell music (they only rent it via streaming).
Also, Apple's contracts with the industry were the first of their kind at a time when there was a huge fear of digital files.
Remember that you still have to authorize a computer to listen to some things. And that those authorizations are limited.
@chockenberry @caseyliss Good points. My response was based entirely around thinking about Apple Music and streaming. I haven't purchased music digitally in a decade. I stream via Apple Music and buy vinyl to "own" it.
Alex Rosenberg@chockenberry @caseyliss F5 to doubt.
You can handoff from a phone to a HomePod. AirPlay 2 changes which device is doing the streaming.
I suspect laziness in adding features to macOS.
Rick@alexr @chockenberry @caseyliss I want to be able to ask my HomePod to play music from my Mac, which I suspect it doesn’t do because Apple really wants me to subscribe to Music, which I’m not going to do.
@JetForMe @chockenberry @caseyliss Yep. And I even run owntone to be able to listen to my ripped library, but only on macOS.