A.R. Moxon, Verified Duck šŸ¦†
People who say of Nazis ā€œthe way you deal with bad ideas is by defeating them in the marketplace of ideasā€ are offering assumptions that a) Nazi ideas have not already been defeated on the merits, and are still valid and worthy to consider; b) Nazis will promote their ideas in bloodless debate.
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Show threadfsnk Dec 23, 2023
@JuliusGoat
if one wants to practice free market intellectualism, it's their own fault if they come to the marketplace of ideas with a B grade reboot of tired, broke down 20th century garbage and the market isn't willing to spend its time and mental energy on trash 
Show threadJL RobersonDec 23, 2023
@JuliusGoat Debating Nazis is simple:
Show threadLitzz11Dec 23, 2023

@JuliusGoat People who say we defeat Nazi ideas in the marketplace of ideas are also passing laws against ā€œwokeā€ ideas in classrooms and boardrooms.

i think they just like Nazi ideas.

Show threadCJ Paloma's ...accountDec 23, 2023

@Litzz11 @JuliusGoat ...right? It's like saying we help late stage alcoholics get to sobriety via rational speech. That always works.

We also allow them to -drive drunk- while talking with themā€¦and telling them kindly to not drive drunk. Great ideas!!

Show threadxs4me2Dec 23, 2023

@JuliusGoat

The people that have not learned from historyā€¦

Show threadGindyDrawsDec 23, 2023
@xs4me2 @JuliusGoat I believe that people are somehow learning history. They are just applying the wrong lessons.
Show threadxs4me2Dec 23, 2023

@GindyDraws @JuliusGoat

You are being kind. In my opinion, around 50% are just less smart than the others and prone to manipulation.

Show threadAlessio Dec 23, 2023
@JuliusGoat @oblomov the fact itself that some people think ideas are shared in a ā€œmarketplaceā€ is disgusting enough
Show threadarceuthobiumDec 23, 2023
@dottorblaster @JuliusGoat @oblomov marketplaces have mechanisms for removing spoiled milk from the shelf.
Show threadAlessio Dec 23, 2023
@theothersimo @JuliusGoat @oblomov just cause people are not too dumb to buy spoiled milk. Unfortunately that appears not to be true for rotten ideas.
Show threadBuenaventura LuxemburgDec 23, 2023
@JuliusGoat @Loukas https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IKICKcMU3MU&pp=ygUWZmVhciBvZiBhIGJyb3duIHBsYW5ldA==
Aamer Rahman: Is it really ok to punch nazis?

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Show threadgrepeDec 23, 2023
@JuliusGoat morality is not a truth to be uncovered once and known forever but a choice which our society needs to make over and over again every generation or so.it is up to us to embrace or refuse the same ideas our great grandparents did.so if you are ridiculing platforms for allowing something our predecessors put behind them(after a bloody battle)you are focusing on the wrong thing entirely.they make things worse,yes,but they are just a symptom of something much more complex and deeper...
Show threadKid ManiaDec 23, 2023

@grepe @JuliusGoat

In short...

ā€œThose who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.ā€ā€‰

ā€“ā€‰George Santayana, The Life of Reason, 1905.
From the series Great Ideas of Western Man.

Show threadarceuthobiumDec 23, 2023
@grepe @JuliusGoat It is up to us to refuse them, like they did at Cable Street.
Show threadgluttoDec 23, 2023
@JuliusGoat
Once upon a time Nazis were shot and bombed because Nazis were horrible and their leader caused a world war where millions of people died.
Why have things changed?
Show threadPēteris KriÅ”jānisDec 23, 2023
@JuliusGoat Nazis are against marketplace of ideas, so it is already incompatible fight.
Show threadsharpstickDec 23, 2023

@JuliusGoat

The market place of ideas is a vital concept, but it connotes multiple places for speech to take place. Not one giant stall where all speech is accepted equally. People must be free to walk away from speech that they disagree with or find reprehensible or itā€™s not a market place.

The market place also connotes that not all speech is equal. Some of it is inferior and must be allowed to fail and die out. Much of what is touted as free speech championing is simply continued subsidies for a failed ideology. That is what, in my opinion, Substack and X and others that give safe harbor to failed, grotesque ideas are doing.

People cannot choose to hook their wagon to the bloated corpse of a dead horse and then complain that no one wants to ride with them except people who have lost their natural sensations and human compassions.

#substack #antifascist

Show threadMichael StancliftDec 23, 2023
@JuliusGoat @lisamelton if only these folks had engaged in the marketplace first.
Show threadCiferDec 24, 2023
@vmstan @JuliusGoat @lisamelton They tried engaging in the Market Garden afterwards, but even that only went so-so.
Show threadM.S. Bellows, Jr.Dec 23, 2023
@JuliusGoat Ergo my pinned post.
Show threadone non-non-blondeDec 23, 2023
@JuliusGoat not to mention (c) debates are somehow magically representative of everyone and winning one is the same as being correct.
Show threadKarl StanleyDec 23, 2023
@JuliusGoat Nazi ideology was firmly defeated in the marketplace of ideas all over Europe between 1939 and 1945. There is no need to re-litigate any of this, we know all we need to know about where it leads.
Show threadYvesDec 23, 2023

@JuliusGoat

@Koochulainn

Is it okay to #PunchANazi?

https://youtu.be/IKICKcMU3MU?si=sYhRw0vXi4aXLv5g

Aamer Rahman: Is it really ok to punch nazis?

YouTube
Show threadKoochulainnDec 24, 2023
@yoseph @JuliusGoat if it's good enough for Indiana Jones...
Show threadBeeCycling has movedDec 23, 2023
@JuliusGoat The Blues Brothers was one of my favourite movies when I was a kid. So I learned early on how you should deal with Nazis.
Show threadStefan SchollDec 23, 2023
@JuliusGoat ā€œThe fact that they gave us that [freedom of speech] is, for sure, one proof of how dumb they are!ā€ -- Joseph Goebbels
Show threadMortenDec 23, 2023
@JuliusGoat Marketplace of ideas sounds a lot like "Nazis should be able to refine market-product fit without pushback".
Also seems like a weak metaphor?
Show threadcoriolisdaveDec 23, 2023
@JuliusGoat I keep coming back to ā€œas per our last world warā€
Show threadJohn ColagioiaDec 23, 2023

@JuliusGoat I like to point out that, in two centuries, the world went from all-authoritarianism-all-the-time with almost no alternatives to three kinds of countries:

- Democracies,
- Authoritarians propped up by oil money, and
- Irrelevant except when they test a nuke.

The Marketplace of Ideasā„¢ has spoken pretty decisively, so we really don't need to keep re-introducing New Coke just in case.

Show threadgregg rDec 23, 2023

@JuliusGoat Dealing with Nazis:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZTT1qUswYL0?start=91&end=130

The Blues Brothers (1980) - Nazis Take a Dive Scene (3/9) | Movieclips

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Show threadwrite_lightDec 25, 2023
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