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@petrillic I can absolutely say it, and do. I just had zero clue that it was pronounced as it is before I heard it aloud. As someone whose languages understood does not include pronouncing "nc" as "sh", I don't think I can be blamed for that.
@mos_8502 i think it’s more “you can learn how to pronounce names”.
@petrillic My experience has been that no matter how much you want to treat people with the respect they are due, and no matter how much effort you put into it, a very loud squad of social media assholes will criticize you for not doing everything exactly the way they want today. This is a prime example of the sort of thing that bunch latch onto. Not you, obviously, but they exist and annoy the piss out of me.
@petrillic
I do think Gatwa will be a fine example of what The Doctor can be as a character. Exellent casting. Sure to upset the worst people in fandom, casting a clearly queer, black, immigrant as a British icon. I can smell the gammons sizzling.
I do think Gatwa will be a fine example of what The Doctor can be as a character. Exellent casting. Sure to upset the worst people in fandom, casting a clearly queer, black, immigrant as a British icon. I can smell the gammons sizzling.
Dreamwinder@mos_8502 @petrillic If I’m honest, my opinion of the show has mostly swung by the writing. I’d very much fallen out of love with Who for the last two doctors, (in fact, Smith’s final season fell flat for me) but the feel of the show that I’ve seen in the specials has been so much better, I’m really looking forward to this next iteration.
@mos_8502 absolutely. As someone whose name has been mutilated my entire life, I understand. Some people are, unfortunately , just scolds.
@petrillic My surname is "Cardoza". You would think, being three syllables, all of which appear natively in English, that *nobody* would get it wrong, but here is a brief list of wrongs I get semi-regularly:
- Cordova
- Cardoba
- Cardova
- Cordoba
- Cardozo
- Cardotha (?!)
@mos_8502 I assume the last one is someone attempting to sound Catalonian.
Laura@petrillic @mos_8502 Don't know about Catalan, but in Castilian "z" is often pronounced as "th" (e.g. González has two "th" sounds).
Chuck@lauravivanco @petrillic @mos_8502 I have a close friend who grew up native in that part of Spain, and that's the exact pronunciation I'd expect from her for that Spanish surname. People who don't speak any of it don't realize the accents vary just as much as English.
My Spanish isn't native, and the teacher whose accent I picked up the most of was Argentinian. That accent next to my friend's Castilian is like putting US Georgia next to bogan Aussie, or Cockney. 😆
@ATurnOfTheNut Yes, and although people sometimes talk about a "Spanish" accent, that's not right e.g. an Andaluz accent will drop consonants at the end of a lot of words where Castilian doesn't.
Anyway, in case anyone else is wondering, here's González in a Castilian accent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgP16C12nk0
And here's a Colombian accent (I can't verify that as I'm not sure enough what they're like), which is definitely different - more "s" than "th": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvq6ZLydDeE
González - Pronunciación en español (España)
PeachMcD@mos_8502 @petrillic I used to belong to a FB group for people whose names got misspelled While We Were Spelling Them
🤦🏻♀️😜
I spelled McDouall
People wrote McDowell, McDougal McDoval... ANYTHING but that many vowels in a row 😂😂
Daniel M. Reck@mos_8502 @petrillic
For what it's worth, my German surname "Reck" is one syllable, also entirely native in English. Mispronunciations I routinely get:
-Peck
-Reek
-Rock
-Wick
-Wrrrhehhh...k? How do you spell that?
My customary response is, "Reck, R-E-C-K, like a train wreck where the W fell off."
I tend to give people credit if they care to make an honest attempt, improve on subsequent attempts, and don't accuse a person of misspelling or mispronouncing their own name.
urbaer@petrillic @mos_8502 I don't disagree with that, but expecting people to know the person as they're just entering mainstream awareness is a bit unfair. I expect by next year rolls around the pronunciation will get learned as he becomes a household name.
dawn@petrillic I've been saying "nn-chooti" real fast. Now I know though.
not a martian, honest@petrillic oh wow, that's totally not how I'd have pronounced that first name. Good to know.
ferricoxide@petrillic
Couple things:
• People aren't saying "Schwarzenegger" all that close to "correctly"; unlikely that "Tchaikovskiy" is being pronounced all that close to "correctly", either.
• "Ncuti" seems even less anglicized than the first two. To a casual reader, "Nc" doesn't convey "sh".
Couple things:
• People aren't saying "Schwarzenegger" all that close to "correctly"; unlikely that "Tchaikovskiy" is being pronounced all that close to "correctly", either.
• "Ncuti" seems even less anglicized than the first two. To a casual reader, "Nc" doesn't convey "sh".
Thiago@ferricoxide @petrillic was thinking the same thing. I just pronounce all 3 as they are written. For the first 2, afaik, you can just pronounce as written and you are close enough
Kagan MacTane (he/him)@falcon @ferricoxide @petrillic If I pronounced Schwarzenegger "as it's written", I'd say it with a zzz sound in the middle. But everyone I know (including me) uses a "ts" sound instead.
We *don't* pronounce it "as it's written", and we've gotten so used to it that we don't even notice.
We can do the same with "Ncuti".
(But Beethoven would've been a better example than Tchaikovsky. Also Mozart and Chopin.)
@kagan @falcon @petrillic
It's more than just the "say z as 'tz'," though. Regardless, most Americans' pronunciation is close enough that any native German-speaker that had that last name would understand, "oh, I think they're talking about me". 😄
It's more than just the "say z as 'tz'," though. Regardless, most Americans' pronunciation is close enough that any native German-speaker that had that last name would understand, "oh, I think they're talking about me". 😄
@ferricoxide @falcon @petrillic I wasn't trying to find ways in which Americans' pronunciation of "Schwarzenegger" differ from Austrians', just one quick example of how Americans' pronunciation of it differs from "how it's written". I was pointing out that we *don't* "just say it the way it's written"; we've learned to pronounce that Z differently from "the usual". Like pronouncing NC as "sh".
@kagan @ferricoxide @petrillic but how many decades has Arnold been a global star? People had way more time to know how his name is pronounced, and even grew up hearing it. I haven’t ever heard someone pronouncing Ncuti’s name
@falcon @ferricoxide @petrillic I'm not saying we all "should" know how to pronounce Ncuti's name yet. Just that we *can* learn it, easily enough.
And now's a great time for it!😄
Dave Dawkins (D. Harrigon)@petrillic because Siobhan is the most obvious name pronunciation in the world.
Rachid Jeitani 
@golgaloth @petrillic no one is saying that you need to get it right the first time. As someone whose name isn’t easily pronounced, all that matters is that you put in the slightest effort to get it right after I’ve pronounced it for you.
Andrew 
@golgaloth @petrillic Irish names are just next level pronunciation difficulty haha. it’s like they took the latin alphabet and decided they disagreed with the sounds each letter made
Ariaflame@golgaloth @petrillic If you know the rules it is, if you don't, it isn't.
Offbeatmammal@golgaloth @petrillic that's my daughter's name. Not surprisingly she had no problem telling me how to pronounce Ncuti properly (though hearing Ncuti say it with a Scottish accent was interesting!)
ThunderstrikeTHANK YOU! I've been trying to figure out how to pronounce this guy's name, so I appreciate the clue. 👍🏽
Pyperkub@petrillic Who? (yeah, I had to do it! ;) )
Some Guy Named Chris@petrillic I am so looking forward to seeing his work on Who. I just hope he's better served by the writing than Whittaker was.
Lisa Hamilton
Gorgeous na Shock!@petrillic Also "Nguyen" is pronounced "Wen."
Phonetics thread!
enmodo ⚛️ 🧬 🇺🇦 🍉@indigoparadox @petrillic I had a landlord called Thai Nguyen and you wouldn't believe how often I had to hear people butcher his name to Thigh Newgen.
JoelBarr@petrillic how amazing is this young actor? He just lights up the screen in Sex Education and I'm not gonna lie, cracked me up in Barbie.
Sepideh@petrillic The actor from Sex Education is going to be the next Dr. Who?!
@sepdroid @petrillic Not going to be, is... has already appeared in the most recent special.
Seán Fenian@petrillic Thanks for the pronunciation tip!
Berkubernetus@petrillic oh, thanks! I was wondering how his name was pronounced.
Mike 🇦🇺🏳️🌈@petrillic haven't seen ANY Who since being sold off to Disney
@redfernmike @petrillic Well, you could choose to go via Britbox if you wanted. It is, after all, your choice whether you want access to British TV shows.
@redfernmike @petrillic Ah. Shame then.
Gen X-Wing@petrillic I’m really terrible at pronouncing names I didn’t grow up with. I do my best, and it’s easier if I have at least heard it before. But I sadly easily get it wrong:(
Had no idea how to pronounce his name. He’s a great actor, I’m sure he’ll make a fine doctor. Haven’t followed it in a long while.
One thing I will do, is if I work with or personally know someone I straight up ask them to help me. Because people deserve to have their own name pronounced as properly as possible.
Nicole ParsonsAnand Giridhaderas has the same observation
Infocalypse Now@petrillic Really. Thanks!
Paul H 🏴🇪🇺Thank you - I really appreciate this. I know how important and respectful it is to get names right
Estarriol, Terrorist Dragon@petrillic this this this and in spades this.
Tobias Denkinger@petrillic
Are there even that many people who pronounce "Schwarzenegger" correctly.
Are there even that many people who pronounce "Schwarzenegger" correctly.
The Tech Lord ⊕ `Lex Pendragon@petrillic I needed this. I want to say it correctly but Nc doesn't end up a SH to me.
I will remember it as if he were surprisingly a gun nut:
Shooty Gat!
...wah?
AmandaLibris 
@petrillic Thank you, hood to know the pronunciation of Ncuti.
Magess 
@petrillic oh. I would have gotten that very wrong.
Gary Parker@petrillic @Faintdreams well, you learn something new every day! It's great when people with names from previously unfamiliar languages come into the public eye and we all get to learn a little bit from another culture
Is the N even slightly/softly pronounced, as when Nguyen is pronounced properly?
Faintdreams@witewulf
Apologies I don't actually know.
I do know that all the official BBC / Doctor Who media I saw announcing Ncuti Gatwa as the new Doctor all had pronunciation guides - but that hasn't stopped a certain breed of 'fan' from complaining. ::ahem::
Medea Vanamonde🏳️⚧️ ♀@petrillic didn’t realize she was so suave
Momo@petrillic
I can't pronounce this. Yet. I do what I always do when there is a person with an hard to pronounce name in my life:
I listen, repeat, train and if possible ask if my pronounciation is correct. NOTHING beats the smile of a person when they realize you did this just because they have a hard name and you want to say it right.
Shout out to our former student from India, Gitanjoli, who was the first one 15 years ago.
@vaurora
@petrillic
Uh, nevermind, that's actually quite easy to pronounce. Easier than Jorge or Hatikakoti.
@vaurora
Uh, nevermind, that's actually quite easy to pronounce. Easier than Jorge or Hatikakoti.
@vaurora
maiamaia@petrillic no it's not it's ng-koo-ti shurely? Which I can say, btw