Der mit den Ballons@kkarhan The fuck ist los mit den plötzlichen Cryptoboosts? Ist dein Account okay?
Kevin Karhan 
@whitekiba Joa.
Warum?
Sorry, war Aufmerksamkeitstest!
Hast bestanden und darfst dir zur not gern OS/1337 bei @OS1337 runterladen...
@kkarhan Ich weiß ja nicht. Also bei Crypto reagier ich allergisch.
Was dein OS angeht beobachte ich das tatsächlich recht genau und judge aus der Ferne. An sich ganz cool aber der Usecase erschließt sich mir noch nicht so ganz
Was dein OS angeht beobachte ich das tatsächlich recht genau und judge aus der Ferne. An sich ganz cool aber der Usecase erschließt sich mir noch nicht so ganz
@whitekiba Derselbe use-case wie #Tomsrtbt: Ein schlankes #rescue-system um Zeug zu fixen...
@kkarhan Hm naja aber dafür müsstest du den Anspruch das alles auf ne Floppy zu kriegen droppen. Die notwendigen Tools und Treiber sind schon recht fett
@whitekiba Ja und nein...
Also nen Kernel samt Netzwerktreiber + initramfs mit notwendigen tools wäre ausreichend...
Notfalls können estimmte werkzeuge entweder von 2. Floppy/CD/USB und/oder online heruntergeladen werden.
Im Notfall würde @OS1337 einfach mit nem #SSH-Server (#Dropbear) autostarten und darauf SSH'n lassen - was für #headless und/oder #retro-Systeme sinnvoll ist.
Quasi reinstecken und es booted nen SSH Server...
@whitekiba Die "CORE" oder auch #Floppy-Version von OS/1337 wird natürlich nicht an #Knoppix herankommen...
Es sollte ne bessere und vorallem nützlichere Alternative zu #Floppinux von @w84death sein.
Es ist auch ne Überlegung zu Minimalismus.
@kkarhan Also ich würde obsolete Technologie halt einfach nicht beachten. Disketten sind halt seit grob 20 Jahren nicht mehr relevant.Es ist einfach absolut nicht mehr zeitgemäß.
@whitekiba Kommt drauf an...
Oft gibt's genug legacy zeugs und so gern ich's los werden will, so sehr ist's oft notwendig.
Auch wäre das nur das "Minimum viable OS" und natürlich würde ich das ganze sowie das abgeschlossen ist weiterentwickeln zu einem brauchbareren System mit mehr Optionen.
https://github.com/orgs/OS-1337/projects/1
Rob Landley@kkarhan @whitekiba @OS1337 Gesundheit.
(Ich nicht sprecht keine deutsch. Only class I ever failed in high school...)
Sorry, my fault...
TLDR:
- @whitekiba questions the usefulness of @OS1337 amidst the fact that 1440kB 3,5" FDDs are basically extinct and should not exist anymore in production.
- I countered that sadly this isn't the case but also that I see OS/1337 as an exercise in #FrugalComputing and dealing with [artifical or not doesn't matter] restrictions.
Because seeing what the minimal still useable system could be is the goal of the current development...
@landley Depends...
Personally I want @OS1337 to be a minimum viable #linux so it could i.e. be a bootable #ROM for a machine to fallback that allows for remote administration / initial setup.
Kinda like some Tandy PCs did for #MSDOS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIEPqD4luG8&t=166s
Still the world's fastest booting PC in 2021?
@landley @OS1337 OFC this is intended to be used for other projects down the line, like a #LOMcard [ https://github.com/KBtechnologies/LOMcard ] to allow both Lights-Out-Managment and act as alternative boot device [emulating a USB Floppy], enabling to turn any PC into a Server with at least the ability to provide a serial console instead of an expensive to implement KVM.
@landley @OS1337 I mean I know most SoC's have some eMMC or in some cases like #i486-compatible industial SOMs can even boot transparently from a microSD...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJEp4ZUG7BI&t=148s
But what if you need some minimalist Linux on said machine?
Even if it's just to dd a new OS on to update those?
Because I do know at least one logistics firm that does that to their systems, and since their #IoT stuff is within #SOLAS-regulated areas, it's a pain in the rear to get onsite for quite good reasons.
Building EVEN SMALLER DOS gaming PC! - weeCee Part 1
Needless to say that even beyond the 1440kB size limit having some nifty option that one can use to provide #TechSupport by telling a user to plug-in a drive makes it far easier...
OFC one could use an entire Ubuntu Server Install and get that downloaded, but anyone who was ever stuck on #EDGEland-level #Internet like myself knows that pulling Gigs at 56k modem speeds is just painful...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSrnXgAmK8k&t=209s
All of our data is GONE!
@landley And finally I want to be able to use some legacy hardware like my #P11Z for something else than just looking pretty and run #WindowsXP when it's high-resolution (1600*768px) screen begs for some fancy TUI desktop...
After all, it has the #GMA500 GPU without any good working #Linux driver [publicly available] and I'd rather want a OS that fits neatly in RAM whilst not restricting me too hard...
@landley After all rescue systems used to fit in 1440kB and entire distros used to fit on CDs...
Being able to make some "bootable business card" like #Linuxcare and #InsideSecurity showed in the past.
At worst I just added a way to Reverse-SSH into a machine and dd an OS onto it's boot drive...
Which IMHO is a valid way to make a system reuseable if one doesn't want to pay $$$ for KVM stuff...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootable_business_card
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linuxcare
http://www.inside-security.de/insert.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_CD#Linux
@kkarhan A bootable business card had a ~50 megabyte capacity.
@landley See, we go full circle, tho some have even less - like 20MB...
But even then I want to save space and be able to use that for more useful stuff - like being able to put on extra programs and files that may be useful...
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@landley But also if one wants to make a #ROM that isn't being loaded at USB 3.0 speeds being able to keep it smol makes it faster...
Not to mention the benefits of having a rescue system on an OTP-ROM means - for better or worse - it can't be fried by the user...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qbrLiGY4Cg
https://www.winbond.com/hq/product/code-storage-flash-memory/serial-nor-flash/index.html?__locale=en&partNo=W25Q16DV
https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/111542344444971456