CM-003 Wintegrity  
🌸 fact is, if you pay for Spotify you are giving the company $120 a year, but for the bands you listen to to collectively get $120 a year at $0.003 per stream, you would have to stream 40,000 songs, which is something in the realm of 5 hours of music a day depending on the length of songs you listen to. maybe you listen to 5 hours of music a day, I certainly do some days--maybe you even do that every day. but if you pirated all that music for free and spent $20 on either a merch item or going to a show from 6 bands then you've given $120 to artists without any going to a streaming service (and yeah they won't keep 100% of that the merch costs something etc but it's a hell of a lot more than a third of a cent per song) regardless of how many songs you listened to for free

this burned out music artist is just begging you to just torrent and soulseek and share with friends and stop feeding the corporate machine that's strangling music
Nov 29, 2023 at 9:10pmWeb
Show threadCM-003 Wintegrity  Nov 30, 2023
🌸 why is our post so popular  uhh read Ætherglow I guess

https://social.translunar.academy/notice/AXuBtOAMcxg4cyqfGS
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Show threadCM-003 Wintegrity  Dec 8, 2023
👾 people are still sharing this. 500 people shared it I'm pretty sure that's all fedi users ever
Show threadHina's Kabukimono ArcNov 29, 2023
@winter I use a pirated spotify app exclusively just for listening to Hip-Hop. Only because I don't have space on my phone for it xD
Show threadLuna Dragofelis ΘΔ moved to @[email protected]Nov 29, 2023
@darlingofinana @winter Newpipe time
Show threadWillowNov 29, 2023
@[email protected] would be pretty funny to set up a bot that continuously streams spotify 24/7 when you're not actively listening to it so that they end up losing money on your subscription
Show threadBreadNov 29, 2023
@w vulfpeck gamed the system once by making an album that was just pure silence, and encouraged people to play it 24/7
i think they put on a free tour with the money they got but Spotify patched that hole
Show threadAririNov 29, 2023
@winter very true, but... spotify stuff like this is funny
Show threadAririNov 29, 2023
@winter on a real note tho, as someone who has used spotify (after coming from soundcloud) for a few years, it is just nice for my use case
i do agree with u tho, and something i wish more artists did is have like bandcamp or whatever where i could buy songs or albums that are uncompressed so i could listen to them as they were intended to be heard (it would've driven me to get IEMs sooner too.. i got a cheap pair and they've made listening to music so much more enjoyable

i don't really have the budget to buy merch nor does it really fit my fashion style but i would defo love to support artists by buying songs i really love as the artist intended and without the big corporate compression 
Show threadMiaNov 29, 2023
@winter big reason I stopped using Spotify
Show thread-/mondsternNov 29, 2023
@winter das ist allgemein aber auch so.
Show threadEricka SimoneNov 29, 2023
@winter music business and admin queen here to support you.
Show threadDon WhitesideNov 29, 2023
@winter @ifixcoinops twenty-three fucking years and only the names and methods have changed. https://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/
Courtney Love does the math - Salon.com

The controversial singer takes on record label profits, Napster and "sucka VCs."

Salon.com
Show threadyour auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦Nov 30, 2023
@donw @winter @ifixcoinops she's always right, isn't she?
Show threadYou S BluesNov 30, 2023
@winter @ifixcoinops @donw And, if even possible, it’s only gotten worse for the artists.
Show threadlaurelNov 30, 2023
@donw @winter @ifixcoinops “What the hell is content?” I mean, I laughed but… it’s also startling to realize this ridiculous concept of “content” has been with us for THIS long.
Show threadapophisNov 29, 2023
@winter "this contract is highway robbery!"

"if only it were that good for you..."
Show threadCM-003 Wintegrity  Nov 29, 2023
@apophis 👾 I support bands robbing people on the highway, touring is expensive
Show threadapophisNov 29, 2023
@winter band-itry
Show threadAaronNov 30, 2023

@winter This makes me want to start a music streaming service where I am collecting $120 a year for every user, but I am paying 80% of that to artists, and instead of a fixed price per stream, artists will get paid a different amount per subscriber based on their share of that subscriber's listens that month.

If I listen to only a single artist that year, they get all $96.

Also the music apps would actually be good.

Show threadKaterina MarchánNov 30, 2023
@harpaa01 @winter I think Ampled or Resonate did something like this and I’m told it was a confusing mess
Show threadDHeadshot's AltDec 2, 2023
@harpaa01 @winter Problem is getting buy-in from labels. Or, if you go entirely Indie, paying for the infrastructure...
Show threadAaronDec 2, 2023

@ddlyh If most of the tinier artists were also signed with the big four labels I could see the labels being game because they'd probably get the same amount of $$$; it'd just change the distribution of which artists are getting how much.

But I suspect none of the big four would be game because the tinier artists aren't signed with them.

Show threadButterfly LaChoiNov 30, 2023
@winter Soulseek? That’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time.
Show threadJimmyNov 30, 2023
@winter How does the economy work out with purchasing rather than streaming (eg buying from iTunes, vs streaming on spotify or apple music)?
Show threadtexanarchyNov 30, 2023
@winter this is how I justify my burgeoning vinyl habit
Show threadJohn HuggNov 30, 2023
@winter It’s my understanding that Spotify pays about 70% of revenue to artists. This is probably pretty competitive with the merch (if not better). I think the catch is that it’s probably proportionally Taytay and Rogan more than the indies.
Show threadSteven TothNov 30, 2023
@winter I wish it was easy to get my music onto my phone cause Apple music and Spotify make it much easier to just play on the go.
Show threadJames BrittNov 30, 2023

@winter

Yep.

Show threadmarkNov 30, 2023

@winter I make a point of as much live music as I can get to and mersh when I can swing it.

I definitely respect the artists that keep their catalog off of Spotify, and I keep buying their stuff

Show threadferricoxideNov 30, 2023
@[email protected]

I alternate between Spotify and SoundCloud. During my workday, the only time I don't have music on is during conference calls. Similarly, I always have music streaming when I'm driving anywhere (or sitting in my car while wife is inside a store). Do, I probably meet the stated threshold.

That said, I see at least six live performances each month. I generally try to buy merch at shows, but a lot of artists don't bring any with them, any more (it's a weird change from shows in the 90s and 00s).
Show threadferricoxideDec 1, 2023
@[email protected]

According to my "Wrapped", nearly 71,000 minutes on Spotify. Haven't checked my SoundCloud, yet, and I don't think YouTube has anything similar,(at least, not for just music videos?).

Seems weird that Spotify basically ignores December?
Show threadLeonNov 30, 2023

@winter The thing that makes Spotify work is the network effect. There was a really strong idea for a while, pre-crypto, is that the Semantic Web would be the next thing. that's what the web's creator, Sir Tim Berners-Lee wanted. Instead of “content silos”, individual artists could put their stuff on their own web pages with a little bit of standard metadata and people could build platforms that drew it all together in rich and interesting ways. People could build systems that could understand and interconnect with other systems. That was supposed to be Web 3.0.

But it got bogged down in an academic miasma and the term was hijacked by the cryptocurrency bros and whatever interoperability the content silos had are quickly being kneecapped or put behind prohibitively expensive paywalls. Funny how things shake out. Not, you know, ha-ha funny.

Show threadroque (ロク)Nov 30, 2023
@winter I was so pleased when I found my (& my friends’) band on Soulseek
Show threadPat AllanNov 30, 2023
@winter while I've not stepped away from using streaming services, these reasons are exactly why I built Support Act - to make sure I'm still buying albums from the musicians I love. https://supportact.app
(apologies for the somewhat self-promotion)
Support Act

Show threadMartin RuskovNov 30, 2023
@winter I hate Spotify. It plays to you music it has selected for you, based on corporate algorithms and not your own digging and finding out your own likes
Show threadFelix B. OhmannNov 30, 2023
@winter or do both, buy the music you love on bandcamp and have a streaming service for easier discovery of what to buy.
Show threadShredd Tone  Nov 30, 2023
@winter Make sure to support your artists anyway you can directly. I still use CD's and LP's; I ain't gonna be streaming through their services anytime soon.
Show threadBen CarverNov 30, 2023
@winter My music consumption is: Buy what I really love / want to support on vinyl; stream (and explore) on Tidal; listen to some good radio stations to audio-meet new stuff; go to gigs even if I'm getting on a bit.
Show threadMimNov 30, 2023
@winter I use Spotify because it's convenient, but I also signed up to Bandcamp so I could buy albums from bands I listen to, to give them some support. (I'm starting with the smaller, less mainstream bands, rather than the already-wealthy big names, and the artists who've already died. Pretty sure Glenn Miller doesn't need the cash.)
Show threadSorrowl Nov 30, 2023
@[email protected] Is there an easy way to download 1 880 songs in one go? (that's like 180h of music) That's the current size of my spotify playlist and if I'd move (which I do wanna do) I'd need an easy-ish way of downloading atleast most of that.
Show threadCM-003 Wintegrity  Nov 30, 2023
@sorrowl I know something exists to download directly from Spotify by playing the song, you could perhaps use that to copy the entire library that way if you have 180 hours free one day
Show threadamiloradovskyNov 30, 2023
@winter I was wondering if it's OK to make torrents out of the music I bought on Bandcamp back in the day when I still could send money there -- hopefully that is, because I can't pay 1 unit of a currency for each song I ever listen, and now I just can't buy music on there even technically
after all Bandcamp's model is just that of CDs some 20 years ago
Show threadCM-003 Wintegrity  Nov 30, 2023
@amiloradovsky please do
Show threadEvan B🥥ehsNov 30, 2023
@winter does this mean I’m costing Spotify money?
Show threadBas (Tools on Tech)Nov 30, 2023
@winter I don't pay for the artist, I pay for the easy access. Patreon for all my direct support.
Show threadMadrona LabsNov 30, 2023
@winter
Show threadFugue State AudioDec 1, 2023
@winter With all due respect to those posting here, what I hear a lot of people saying (mostly in other places) is "I don't care how much artists are getting screwed, it would be inconvenient for me to stop using spotify," and I can't help but take some offense at that.
Show threadDREAMBONESDec 1, 2023
@winter ive heard different stuff regarding bandcamp, but another music artist i talked to once said something about buying digital releases resulting in practically zero profit for the actual artist (unless you purchase on bandcamp friday). do you think bandcamp is worth using with that caveat or would not bothering with it either be a decent idea?
Show threadblaue_FledermausDec 4, 2023
@winter
Some 15-20 years ago, a very popular band here in Brazil already saw the writing on the wall that money was only going to come from merch and live shows, and even started putting their music on file sharing services themselves. It was even before torrents became popular.
Show threadApril (moved to kitsunes.club!)Dec 8, 2023

@winter and that is why apple music is superior

i said what i said

Show threadOssi HerralaDec 8, 2023

@winter Artists (or their record labels) used to threaten to sue us for pirating their music.

Then Spotify made legal music listening really easy and quite cheap.

Now artists are demanding us to pirate music again? Can we also get a promise not to be sued?

Show threadCM-003 Wintegrity  Dec 8, 2023
@oherrala 👾 use a VPN use the most basic defenses and ain't nobody gonna do shit, they only ever sue a few big targets who were foolish about it to make an example of
Show threadMigrated WoemDec 8, 2023
@winter would love to move away from spotify, but do you know of any way I can export all my music from it? that's the number one reason I still keep my subscription.