Mastodawn

nano's old account's rotting corpse

>youtube starts blocking ad-blockers
>people install ublock origin
>google is going to remove manifest v2 from chromium thus sabotaging most functionality of ad-blockers
>people install firefox
>youtube writes javascript that detects if youre on a non-chromium browser and delays the video loading for 5 seconds, the same amount of time youd wait watching an ad

go to hell google. immediately.

@[email protected]Nov 21, 2023

@nano they're eventually going to do something illegal

WISH Nov 21, 2023

@nano iirc there was a uBO filter made for it within the hour (at least of me learning about it)? https://shrimple.aagaming.me/notes/9maegwl3ul88ahs1 not sure if it still works but there’s probably something about people learning how adblockers work in this all

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uBO filter for this https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/17tm9rp/comment/k9i62zu

Shrimpkey

fermium Nov 21, 2023

@nano I'd rather wait an extra 5 seconds than watch ads

raj Nov 21, 2023

@nano 😢

Erin In Safe Mode (they/it)Nov 21, 2023

@nano
Google then: "Don't Be Evil"
Google now: "Don't Be Evil"

Wam Nov 21, 2023

@[email protected] that check does not detect for chromium, it happens in all browsers

Wam Nov 21, 2023

@[email protected] still scummy, i just really hate the misinfo because it's so plainly just. wrong.

nano's old account's rotting corpse Nov 21, 2023

@wamwoowam what? so, every browser, including chrome, gets a 5 second delay? what are you talking about? this is only happening to non-chromium browsers, specifically firefox, and if you set the user agent to chrome the problem magically goes away

Wam Nov 21, 2023

@[email protected] it does not magically go away. it goes away purely by coincidence. i use chrome. sue me, but it happens to me too.

this is pure misinfo spread by a tweet which didn't do it's research, and now has a community note. it is wrong.

Wam Nov 21, 2023

@[email protected] every browser, including chrome, gets that delay.

nano's old account's rotting corpse Nov 21, 2023

@wamwoowam so why would google program a hardcoded 5000 milisecond delay on every youtube video which even impacts their own browser? this makes no sense

Wam Nov 21, 2023

@[email protected] i have seen tiny snippets of javascript fingerpointing at one single setTimeout instance, with zero evidence that it actually affects this in any way

this has not been substantiated, it's pure speculation

it is either a bug, or potentially something to do with adblocker detection.

either way, my point is, it is not dependant on browser, or browser engine

Wam Nov 21, 2023

@[email protected] i'm not here to speculate about why, fact is, this is misinformation being perpetuated, and it's incredibly unhelpful

google fucking suck, but that's not gonna change by pointing fingers at completely irrelevant things

Martin Rocket Nov 21, 2023

@nano @wamwoowam because their favorite user base (Chrome without ad blocker) isn't affected.

Sam CANDY 🦩Nov 21, 2023

@nano
It seems it's for any browser with an ad-blocker, if I understood correctly
@wamwoowam

Amps Nov 22, 2023

@nano @wamwoowam https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/21/23970721/google-youtube-ad-blocker-five-second-delay-firefox-chrome
Here's a good article by the Verge about it. Apparently it isn't Firefox specific, but rather detects if you use an adblocker and gives you the delay regardless of your browser. Still bad, of course, but not in that way.

YouTube says it’s not slowing down Firefox — just ad blockers

YouTube confirms that ad blockers may be causing a delay before a video loads, and it says the issue isn’t related to any one browser.

The Verge

frigginGlorious ✅Nov 21, 2023

@nano hopefully they'll be checking to see if you have a youtube subscription.

That being said, I've been using FF for years now, and a couple months ago I noticed youtube started playing like bullshit. Issues I didn't have when I opened the vid in chrome. Weird, intermittent stuff. I've been susupecting unfair play.

But yeah, I don't see anything replacing youtube anytime soon. Streaming video is still so damn... technical.

[moved] stereo griever Nov 21, 2023

@nano they really are going for any cash grab there could possibly be right now and I can understand why

Poppy (Your wife's girlfriend)

@[email protected] I really hope this helps fuck over Google in their antitrust case, though. It cannot be clearer that they are abusing their power as a monopoly.

@nano there is already a bypass written for ublock

📎Nov 21, 2023

@nano
> people start using invidious/newpipe

Idwthama Nov 21, 2023

@nano well I believe in the ultimate power of the crowd. Can Google win against the mass of smart people working arround google enshitification? I think so. Twitter is dicovering it so will Youtube.

onterof Nov 21, 2023

@nano Google really thinks people don't know the existence of user agent switcher addons?! As long as they're bombarding videos with scam adds people will find a way to mitigate these bullshit moves.

radioactivestardust Nov 21, 2023

@nano Ahhh that is happening

Maggie Maybe Nov 21, 2023

@nano I would rather sit in silence for five seconds than have to look at an ad for five seconds though.

@maggiemaybe @nano the greatest thing google ever did was give me a blank landing page because my search history is off. I finally have peace.

Abrego Nov 21, 2023

@nano imagine graduating with a computer science degree and your first job is writing ad blocker foiling software. I’d kill myself

Urzl Nov 21, 2023

@nano I have an AdGuard gateway at home and it seems we've all been forced into restricted mode on YouTube when it's on.

I haven't found the *exact* trigger, I have a number of filters set up but it goes back to normal if I flip the switch and turn off the filtering entirely.

Hallucinationsofasiliconslab Nov 22, 2023

@gooba42 @nano I recently switched my dns to adguard and had the same thing happen to me in the app. Restricted mode until I switched to another dns. I have YouTube premium so I don't have anything restricted for the app. It appears to be something specific to adguard.

Urzl Nov 22, 2023

@Karnbot13 @nano Same here with the premium which *really* made me mad.

Worse, my Android phone likes to pretend it can't find a connection sometimes when the DNS is through AdGuard.

Catweazle Nov 21, 2023

@nano, no need to enter in the YT Page

Download this and watch what you want without ads or other crap (FOSS, Windows, Linux, Mac, Android)

https://omega.gg/MotionBox/

MotionBox Video Browser

MotionBox is a Video Browser for Motion Freedom.

Kimota94 Nov 21, 2023

@nano If the delay really matches the duration of the ad you’d be shown in the other browser, is it possible they’re “streaming” the ad in such a way that it doesn’t show up in your browser but they can then go ahead and claim to their advertisers that it WAS streamed to you (meaning they’d still make money off it)? That’s what this feels like.

melitele Nov 21, 2023

@nano does the 5 sec wait count as an adview?

Amenothep Nov 21, 2023

@nano used noscript.,.

bassplayer Nov 22, 2023

@nano Maybe try Mulvad, it's chromium based with a great privacy score

Bishop Greer Godsey Nov 22, 2023

@nano I am old enough to remember when Google’s motto was “Don’t be evil.” Guess that is not a thing anymore.

Greg Spradlin Nov 22, 2023

Did that last thing happen yet?

I use Chrome, with UBO, for YouTube, and Firefox for everything else. If YouTube gives me scary warnings, I clear the cache and cookies. No problems so far.

Chrome has become to enshitified for me: security preferences that take > 9 mouse clicks to fix, annoying popups with questions about speeding up Chrome, and oddly, Google Docs is too glitchy to use (works fine on Firefox).

Interpipes 💙Nov 22, 2023

@nano I mean i started paying for premium because there were unskippable 30s adverts so one 5s of silence sounds absolutely fine to me

Philip Mallegol-Hansen Nov 22, 2023

@nano @tbhdk It’s extremely childish, but waiting 5 seconds still beats watching an ad.

@nano I would rather sit in silence for a minute instead of watching a 5sec ad. I would be perfectly happy not seeing any content at all to stop seeing ads.

I will not watch ads. I'm willing to pay a reasonable amount for entertainment, so the content creators can make a small profit. I'm not willing to pay more, just for the greed of shareholders who expect ever increasing profits. I'm not willing to sacrifice my privacy either.

YouTube needs me/us more than we need them. Without viewers, the platform is obsolete.

Zeta Syanthis Nov 25, 2023

You forgot:

>people add a filter in uBlock Origin to change the sleep time from five seconds to one millisecond. :D

(Add the following to My Filters under uBlock Origin settings.)

www.youtube.com##+js(nano-stb, resolve(1), *, 0.001)

wruffian Nov 28, 2023

@nano rather live with that delay of silence, than get my mind assaulted with informatic pollution in the same time. also, consider piped or invidious (youtube condom services) instances

it's winter Nov 29, 2023

@nano I'd still rather wait 5 seconds than watch an ad
That's 5 seconds that isn't making them money