It’s the company who has to sign off on the CBA, too.

A union can ASK for things, but it’s always the company guaranteeing it.

Sure a union technically can not guarantee anything. But I’ll guarantee you’ll be in a million times stronger position with a union.

They’re also spreading this nonsense at my hospital where we’re actively organizing right now. It preys on people’s ignorance of how legal contracts work.

Your lease doesn’t guarantee that your landlord won’t violate its terms either. But it does give you the ammunition to take them to court and win compensation, if they do.

The same applies to a union contact. It’s legally binding in the same way. Sure the company technically can violate the terms of that agreement. But the union is going to escalate the issue to the NLRB and/or sue them in court, if they do. And you will win, if you provide the evidence that they violated the legally binding contract.

This is what disingenuous corporations call “not guaranteed”

“You can’t guarantee that your new collective bargaining agreement will be honored by us.”

Unions literally cannot guarantee you money, dude. Other than what’s in their coffers, and what is “drawn up” in advance, collected for, and spelled out in a written agreement.

Especially fragile new unions, they don’t have jack shit going for them. The company isn’t going to help it form, and they might choose to fire dissenters attempting to unionize. During a strike or demonstrations, even with a formed union, the company isn’t going to pay the workers for not working. In this way, the company is correct in saying “there are no guarantees of pay”. Hell if they don’t like you there’s no guarantee of a job at all, if there’s no established union.

It’s all talk, speculation until a formed union draws up a legal, enforceable contract that both company & union agree to. CBA, as it’s called (Collective Bargaining Agreement).

It tells me that they think paying for graphics, ads etc are just a fraction of what I can gain.

Same. They also want to make me commit acts of civil disobedience such as tearing all of them down.

Email the IWW, they’ll give you manuals.

And no, you don’t have to go through the union instead of your supervisor/manager. In my union job, they’d send a witness/advocate along with someone if they had an issue where a manager was involved.

The union was corrupt, but despite that it was still the best factory job I’ve worked in (ok another one was also not bad but that was mostly because no one really gave a fuck about the stupid shit there and everyone just did their jobs without fucking with each other). The pay was high enough that when I was looking for something better, I realized a certification I had started wasn’t going to mean more money, just different work for similar money.

It's not a guarantee they have your interests and heart, but your odds are a lot better than your supervisor having your interests and heart.

That's why I advise anyone who has anything important happening to them to first seek advise from an organization that deals with worker rights, a union or a lawyer, as HR are there to protect the company, not to help you.

If they help you, it's only because that's what's beneficial to the company and their personal allegiances in the company.

It really is that simple.

Most companies don't want you to drink cyanide, but it isn't good for you. Most companies don't want you getting hurt on the job. Most companies don't want you drinking or doing drugs while using heavy equipment. All these things arent good for you.

I'm not saying to unionize or not, but the logic is fallacious.

No, it’s instant investigation into your performance

Corporations do it, so yes but functionally hell no.

Yeah, I thought it was wildly illegal for a company to try and directly influence union action?

It’s only illegal if you don’t have enough money to influence the labor board. :P

It’s only illegal for them to lie. This fits in the very narrow gray area of what they’re allowed to say because technically it’s not untrue. No contract in the world guarantees anything will or will not happen. A contract gives you the ammunition to sue the person you entered into the agreement with, if that person (or corporation) violates the agreed upon terms. So a union contract still gives you leverage and power over a corporation, but technically it doesn’t guarantee the terms of the contract will happen.

these kinds of posters are only illegal in the state of Minnesota, and even in MN that law was just passed this year

It’s not illegal; it’s free speech. In their own business. It is incorrect, it is false propaganda, but it’s free speech.

That said, Amazon especially has engaged in enough illegal or at very least highly highly questionable practices in attempts to avoided workers unionizing. Such as: they had an agreement with the city to speed up a stop light, so organizers working in the parking lot didn’t have free time to effectively talk to workers leaving.

You can get in serious trouble, fired, for talking about unionizing at work in their workplace. Their rules. But the parking lot is fair game. So…they tilted the board to favor them, even there.

Yeah dues are rarely more than the difference in pay unless they’re busting.

I’ve never been in a union so please pardon my ignorance. Are fees really close to $50 per work day?

This is always so funny to me. They have money to get these posters designed, have copy written up for them, get them printed, it looks like they paid for a whole website by the looks of the QR code.

That money could’ve been put in the workers pockets. Seeing these anti-union tactics is even more of a reason to unionize.

It doesn’t matter what their argument is, Amazon workers are probably smart enough to realize any anti-union advertising is because unions are good for workers and bad for Amazon.

I can’t believe imagine there’s a single Amazon worker who thinks Amazon has their best interest at heart or would spend money to save their employees money.