strassebaOct 1, 2023
evacide
If you're mad at EFF for making it possible to use Chrome with less tracking instead of yelling at people to use a different browser, then I assume you have never heard of harm reduction. Giving people digital privacy and security advice means meeting people where they're at. Otherwise, you're just running your mouth to make yourself feel smart.
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Show threadOborosaurOct 1, 2023

@evacide these critiques surprise me. I didn't know about this announcement. When I looked it up, I found a thoughtful article that includes the paragraph:

"Other browsers, like Firefox and Safari, baked in privacy protections from third-party cookies in 2019 and 2020, respectively. Neither of those browsers has anything like Privacy Sandbox, which makes them better options if you'd prefer more privacy."

They didn't even omit or downplay a recommendation to use a different browser!

Show threadJuha HaatajaOct 1, 2023

@oborosaur @evacide

👍 https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/09/how-turn-googles-privacy-sandbox-ad-tracking-and-why-you-should

How To Turn Off Google’s “Privacy Sandbox” Ad Tracking—and Why You Should

Google has rolled out "Privacy Sandbox," a Chrome feature first announced back in 2019 that, among other things, exchanges third-party cookies—the most common form of tracking technology—for what the company is now calling "Topics." Topics is a response to pushback against Google’s proposed...

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Show thread🄯 CarlOSOct 1, 2023
@evacide 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Show thread$8TrollOct 1, 2023

@evacide

... just running your mouth to make yourself feel <s>smart</s>superior.

Show threadjustpeachyOct 1, 2023
@evacide hi! What is EFF? I have to use chrome for schoolwork & would love to have my privacy back!!
Show threadevacideOct 1, 2023
@justpeachy https://www.eff.org
Electronic Frontier Foundation

Defending your rights in the digital world

Electronic Frontier Foundation
Show threadlupus_blackfurOct 1, 2023

@evacide

Hell, yes!!

Would that I had more than just one boost to give...

Show thread💥meta physical deflationist💥Oct 1, 2023
@evacide and go back to yelling about eff supporting nazis?
Show threadLi ~ Crystal SystemOct 1, 2023
@glassresistor @evacide seems like a much more important think to yell at them about..
Show threadEpiphanicSynchronicityOct 1, 2023
@evacide They’re extensions for Chromium browsers, not just Chrome. Some people need to use Chrome extensions, and I appreciate that EFF’s extensions work on Chromium browsers like #Vivaldi and #Brave.
Show threadBen From KCOct 1, 2023

@evacide

Sounds like a debate I've heard about a different topic. It's almost like giving people help and education on a thing is a better idea than just telling them to never use it. Shocking.

Show threadnovatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️Oct 2, 2023
@benfromkc @evacide except using a particular browser program isn't a natural, normal, and basically inevitable part of human experience for most people that is one of the basic core needs most people have, and so learning how to do it safely makes more sense than just saying not to do it, like with sex. Using Google Chrome is more like going out with an abusive partner. Sure, some people need to for material reasons and we should help them develop coping mechanisms, but everyone who can stop should.
Show threadJeremy ListOct 1, 2023
@evacide I do wish there were a greater variety of fully usable web browsers but I have no inclination to yell at anyone about how they should switch to WebPositive.
Show threadJacobRPG (becoming a ratboy)Oct 1, 2023
@evacide this applies to so many things beyond chrome v. Firefox.
Show threadBrett Glass - WY7BGOct 1, 2023
@evacide We can't trust EFF to do anything that restricts Google's surveillance capitalism. EFF depends too much on the lobbying fees ("contributions" and "cy pres" money) it gets from Google.
Show threadKellynOct 1, 2023
@evacide The sad reality is that #Chromium based browsers are the best. That means #Google more or less controls the web but as a #tech person myself, I refuse to give up the best browser that gives us really cool web technologies better than #Firefox. I'm glad you're giving advice for using #Chrome more privately. Why can't we have our cake and eat it too after all?

I have no problem with #Firefox, it just doesn't do all that I want it to do. For most people it's fine and it's good to have options. However, those who say #Edge and #Brave are better than Chrome are idiots and I can see why they would bash Google to feel smart. Also #Microsoft and other companies love using the anti-Chrome rhetoric to sell their products who are no better and often worse.
Show threadclOct 1, 2023

@kellyn "I have no problem with #Firefox, it just doesn't do all that I want it to do"

Would you mind sharing what is that?

Show threadyoasifOct 1, 2023
@evnnbd @kellyn "the best browser that gives us really cool web technologies" -- you know, like PNaCl and WebUSB.
Show threadKellynOct 2, 2023
@evnnbd For starters I think the way Chromium handles PWAs is much better. I don't mind web apps but having to run them in completely separate browser instances is not efficient. Also a lot of cool web APIs like WebUSB don't work in Firefox.
Show threadpeter honeymanOct 1, 2023
@evacide well said
Show thread/ˈdeɪvɪd/Oct 1, 2023
@evacide 100%. Also, thank you for posting this! It’s the reason I don’t use Chrome. I’m going to give it another go. 🙂
Show threadcmeierOct 1, 2023

@evacide > If you use Chrome, you can disable this feature through a series of three confusing settings.

A more complete story would also have posted links to alternative browsers. It can't be any harder to install FF than it is to work through "a series of three confusing settings" to disable the privacy sandbox "feature" in Chrome.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/09/how-turn-googles-privacy-sandbox-ad-tracking-and-why-you-should

How To Turn Off Google’s “Privacy Sandbox” Ad Tracking—and Why You Should

Google has rolled out "Privacy Sandbox," a Chrome feature first announced back in 2019 that, among other things, exchanges third-party cookies—the most common form of tracking technology—for what the company is now calling "Topics." Topics is a response to pushback against Google’s proposed...

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Show threadAndreas KOct 1, 2023

@evacide Yes, by that standard, the abolishment movement probably should have handed out leaflets how to deal better being whipped than running their mouth arguing for freeing the slaves to make themselves feel smart.

Especially as Google seems to have absolutely no qualm to take away what little control you have of your browsing experience. Notice how Manifest V3, the web browser attestation thing (that is already in the chromium source code), …

Show threadDr James J TeethOct 1, 2023

@evacide

This advice applies to so many other interactions in life.

Show threadMiles GoodhewOct 1, 2023
@evacide "You can use Chrome with less tracking?!..."
[/me follows the bouncing ball...]
"oh... I already turned all that gunk off already."
(for clarity: I only use Chrome/Edge when a site fails on all my cookie/blocker stuff)
Show threadAlexander Baez UbeiraOct 1, 2023
@evacide also some people are forced by work or circumstance to use it, mitigation is perfectly valid ❤️
Show threadnantucketlitOct 2, 2023
@evacide There are advocacy groups that create converts, and others that hunt heretics.