Large Heydon ColliderA T-shirt for lovers of the three core web technologies. https://webbed-briefs.teemill.com/product/not-you-tee/
Free postage until midnight tonight (UK customers) apparently 🤓
Carol 🪩@heydon ooooh i love this one!
Stu Robson@heydon “not you” 😂
Christopher Kirk-Nielsen@heydon Dang, that's a good design. 10/10
@chriskirknielsen Thanks! Took me a long time to work out that this type of design is called "Helvetica ampersand"
Sara Joy 
@heydon oooooooooh
Joseph Kohlmann
Ethan Marcotte@heydon FLAWLESS
@beep ❤ Even if there were flaws, these technologies are designed to be forgiving. Unlike you-know-who #JengaScript
Ian Forrester | @cubicgarden@heydon Just right for us declarative developers :)
Aral Balkan@heydon Poor JS. Gets such a bad rep just because folks* do terrible things with it.
* asshole surveillance capitalists
Jonathan Schofield
Rafal
devolute
easrng 
abs(in)the
HighlandLawyer
Mark Norman Francis
Ken Schwencke
Rudy@heydon not you LOL
France Jor☝️
@heydon Funny but unfair. 😔
(Plus : CSS is arguably a worse mess than JavaScript. ☝️😐)
(Plus : CSS is arguably a worse mess than JavaScript. ☝️😐)
@jor CSS doesn't assplode the browser tab with a single error 😉
🪑Dr Rockstar ♫@ajaxStardust @jor The CSS-only what? Never heard of that. I struggle to write CSS without HTML.
@heydon @jor sorry. i mean the argument-- maybe it's not really an argument lol-- whether to avoid JavaScript in favor of more CSS dependent events/ actions for the UI. I kind of got out of web dev altogether right around the time that JS started taking over (advent of React, etc., even jQuery), so I have a gap in my experience of that transition. meaning, i'm not the best guy to ask about that. ha. but it used to be a thing. i guess i thought that's what the others were referencing.
@ajaxStardust @heydon I suppose there are a bunch of things that CSS now does better for a number of reasons, that were previously done via JS (like animations), and those can (and should) be implemented in CSS now for a number of reasons.
(But it doesn’t change the fact that CSS is a mess. 😏)
@jor @ajaxStardust Your CSS may be a mess. That doesn't mean CSS is a mess.
@heydon @ajaxStardust But couldn’t that be said with every language ?
I mean, one could argue that with enough knowledge and extreme self-discipline, it would probably be possible to write good code even in a language like Perl (I’m sure it was initially created by the CIA to torture people 😐). In the same way, with good knowledge and discipline, it is possible to avoid most JS gotchas, traps and weaknesses, and write reasonable JS code. 🤷♂️
This does not mean that JS doesn’t have these gotchas, traps and weaknesses (unfortunately).
CSS has many weaknesses that have been analyzed time and again, and they are still here even if we can learn to minimize/avoid them.
@jor @ajaxStardust It's just a silly T-shirt.
@heydon @ajaxStardust Sorry, I got carried away. 😅
@jor @heydon
As do I, clearly. haha!
I wasn't trying to shamelessly promote btw.
SVG has come such a long way! It's so nice to see so many things have gone in that direction. I want to mess around with Lottie animations**
In case anyone's unfamiliar:
** https://lottiefiles.com
seems pretty cool haven't had time to mess w/ it myself.
@heydon @jor
before SVG was widely used, I was experimenting w/ how to integrate it w/ PHP, tending to prefer avoiding javascript if possible. This website is garbage to look at, but the SVG title is dynamically generated by PHP. simple silly thing, but i thought it was cool at the time! It took a lot of detailed editing to get it to work "right" -- at least without throwing errors:
https://statecollegeguitarlessons.com/adb/
before SVG was widely used, I was experimenting w/ how to integrate it w/ PHP, tending to prefer avoiding javascript if possible. This website is garbage to look at, but the SVG title is dynamically generated by PHP. simple silly thing, but i thought it was cool at the time! It took a lot of detailed editing to get it to work "right" -- at least without throwing errors:
https://statecollegeguitarlessons.com/adb/
Niels van Rongen@heydon ordered! Haha this one is great. But I saw the Sunn shirt after I ordered, which is pretty cool as well 😏
@niels You have very specific tastes 👍
@heydon I just can’t wait to wear this during standup 😏
Cegorach@heydon
it's funny
CSS is one of the worst things I was ever forced to use. (yes, it got way better)
But still far from the utter train wreck that JS still is! CSS was just missing features. JS was inherently broken from the start.
The only thing even remotely as bad was PHP.
Tomáš Kout
Thomas Michael Semmler@heydon so happy this appeared in my feed again. This will be the perfect addition to the accessibility woke platoon shirt and a nice little present to myself
@nachtfunke Ahhh nice one! Enjoy!
sodiboo 
@heydon me when I forget to include mathml
@heydon Recommended dresscode for React meet-ups 🙃#education
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