✧✦Catherine✦✧<@charlotte> Fuck C++. Worst programming language for children
(i relate so hard)
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Dan Ports@whitequark @charlotte There's a mural near my house that says “Kids can code C++! Every child matters!”, but I think children who don't know template metaprogramming have value too.
I Can't Believe It's Not Zero!@dan @whitequark @charlotte who are these monsters who do not let children learn the untyped lambda calculus?
Daniel Gibson@dan @whitequark @charlotte
Do you have to do template metaprogramming to be a C++ programmer?
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Do you have to do template metaprogramming to be a C++ programmer?
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mxk@Doomed_Daniel @dan @whitequark @charlotte No, only if you also claim that you "know c++". Most C++ programmer sadly do fine without it 😬
James Widman@Doomed_Daniel @mxk (possible exceptions: Richard Smith (clang maintainer---but i think he's been working on carbon full-time for a while now?) and Jens Maurer)
@Doomed_Daniel @mxk if there is a single living person who comes the closest to being able to accurately tell you the semantics of any given C++ program, it's probably Jens
@Doomed_Daniel @mxk oh, he's ok; he's in the zone.
Kelly ShortridgeThe Netherlands might disagree — they’re all in on Rust for kids
🏴 Lispegistus 🧠➕🖥️@dan @whitequark @charlotte They started teaching me C++ when I was 10. They* didn't get to templates until I was 20, and by that time I already knew lisp and didn't bother to pay attention in class :)
* same people who taught the uni classes ran a CS school for kids as a side gig because uni salaries absolutely suck here.
Passenger"Kids can code C++. (This sign was paid for by the C99 standard committee.)"
Dominic Hopton@grork (i know about the C++ 20 feature; i'm talking about the C++0x feature that was adopted into and then removed from the working draft before C++11 shipped.)
Charlotte :kinua:@dan @whitequark my children know template metaprogramming. Now you know my view.