SorienSep 3, 2023
Widdershins Smith 🐘
CATHOLIC CHURCH: No meat on Fridays
PEOPLE: Ok so no eggs for breakfast
CC: No, eggs are ok
P: But eggs are chicken
CC: Not until they hatch
P: So the thing isn't the thing until it's born?
CC: Correct—um, no, wait.
Mar 5, 2023 at 10:47amWeb
Show threadWiddershins Smith 🐘Jul 21, 2023

Ok, you people realise this is a joke, right?

I'm not here to have a conversation with folks with mental health issues (i.e. believers in gods) and point out that the rule was made WAY before we had stores whereby we know the eggs are unfertilised...

Show threadEsme CiredutempsJul 25, 2023
@juglugs could you please not insult people with real mental issue ?
We don't think someone should decide about another humain being's body.
Show threadAndreas KJul 26, 2023

@juglugs But their god is not very well organized. While dictating his holy book, he managed to provide multiple different versions.

https://mastodon.social/deck/@yacc143/110779153532976626

It's always fascinating with bible thumpers:

“Which version of bible is the one your god meant to be the holy version?”

Show threadwicked thunder eraOct 4, 2023
@juglugs I don't know why this old post came up on my feed, but regardless of the initial topic, mental health is a serious thing and people struggling with mental illnesses are not to be put down like that as if they were lesser than you are. By using this as an insult you also insult all of us struggling so next time just don't please.
Show threadWiddershins Smith 🐘Jul 25, 2023

Again, I don't have the time nor inclination to argue with the unfortunate sufferers of mental health problems that make them think invisible beings control or care about their lives...

It's a joke!!

Show threadMr Lawrence 🇪🇺🇷🇼Jul 20, 2023
@juglugs Um … you know that eggs can’t become chicks unless … well, there needs to be a daddy chicken? They’re just ovulations otherwise.
Show threadAlex von KitchenJul 21, 2023
@juglugs have the church commented on balut yet?
Show threadNona RoseJul 21, 2023
@juglugs wait, were you expecting consistency and logic? From religion?
Show threadTerrorBite 🦁Jul 21, 2023

@juglugs I mean technically, the eggs you buy at the store normally aren't fertilized, so you're just eating a hen's period.

But don't worry, there are PLENTY of other examples of hypocrisy from the Catholic church.

Show threadWiddershins Smith 🐘Jul 21, 2023

@TerrorBite

I mean technically, the rule was made WAY before stores...

Show threadKmac2025Mar 1, 2024
@juglugs @TerrorBite Eggs (along with milk and other non-flesh animal products) were allowed in 1941. By then, we could tell. The fast has changed over time, and now we know that unfertilized eggs aren’t flesh meat, and they were eventually allowed
Show threadJohn Caveney woke is me🛠️Jul 21, 2023
@juglugs
Show threadCatweazleJul 21, 2023
@juglugs, ehm, the eggs you buy never hatch chickens, because they are not fertilized eggs.
Show threadEllenJul 21, 2023
@juglugs Eggs are not chicken if you eat them, because then they're not fertilized.
Show threadWiddershins Smith 🐘Jul 21, 2023

@isisevrinen

How do you know? Ok, today in a store they're not likely to be fertilized, but when the rule was made nobody knew if they were...

Show threadEllenJul 21, 2023
@juglugs Because the chicken will not sit on it. People knew back then too. If it's fertilized, the chicken will sit on it until it hatches. Chicken lay eggs all the time, just not all are fertilized.
Show threadgnaddrigJul 21, 2023
@isisevrinen @juglugs But if the farmer or whoever keeps the chickens takes the eggs away, the chickens won't sit on them anyway, fertilized or not?
Show threadEllenJul 21, 2023
@gnaddrig @juglugs Which didn't happen when the rule was made.
Show threadgnaddrigJul 21, 2023
@isisevrinen @juglugs Oh, but certainly people took and ate chickens' eggs before the church came up with this rule?
Show threadKmac2025Mar 1, 2024
@gnaddrig @isisevrinen @juglugs @juglugs @TerrorBite Eggs (along with milk and other non-flesh animal products) were allowed in 1941. By then, we could tell. The fast has changed over time, and now we know that unfertilized eggs aren’t flesh meat, and they were eventually allowed
Show threadWiddershins Smith 🐘Mar 1, 2024

@Kmac2025 @gnaddrig @isisevrinen @TerrorBite

And we now know that there are absolutely ZERO gods. None of the 4500+ gods recorded by humans have ever existed nor do they exist.
Therefore this is a moot point by charlatans exploiting the ignorant/stupid.

#ReligionPoisonsEverything #NoGods #antitheist

Show threadgnaddrigMar 1, 2024

@juglugs @Kmac2025 @isisevrinen @TerrorBite

"And we now know that there are absolutely ZERO gods. " - Do we actually KNOW, or do we just think that because it's much more plausible than for any gods to exist?

Don't get me wrong, I don't think any gods exist, either. But we can't know (or prove) that, just point to the fact that there is no meaningful evidence of any gods' existence, and Occam's razor would favour 'no gods' over any god.

Show threadKmac2025Mar 1, 2024
@gnaddrig @juglugs @isisevrinen @TerrorBite I mean really Occam’s Razor is a philosophical guideline, not an actual rule of logic. Overall, I might like his principle, but it would even be against Occam’s razor to say Jimmy moved this 500 pound refrigerator if Jimmy and ten and people moved it. Occam’s razor still needs all essential or necessary elements, which we would probably disagree on if God is.
Show threadgnaddrigMar 1, 2024

@Kmac2025 @juglugs @isisevrinen @TerrorBite
Sure, the razor doesn't get 'hard' results but helps evaluate situations where you have to make a judgement call.

Given that I can't prove or disprove the existence of any or all gods, I'll try to see how plausible the available positions are, and absent any personal revelations I find I need less assumptions/explanations for "There is no god" than for "God exists" (regardless of whether it's about any supernatural being at all or a specific deity).

Show threadgnaddrigMar 1, 2024

@Kmac2025 @juglugs @isisevrinen @TerrorBite

So, fully aware that Occam's razor doesn't provide hard facts or watertight solutions, I still come to the (personal) conclusion that I don't think any gods exist (except in the minds of their believers).

I don't seee a reason to follow religious rules for their own sake, and if "no fish on Fridays" is how most people in my area live, I can live with that (and wouldn't have a conspicuous barbecue on a Friday, either).

Show threadKmac2025Mar 1, 2024
@juglugs then you are simply admitting the logic in the meme wasn’t right, but are now shifting the discussion
Show threadWiddershins Smith 🐘Jul 21, 2023

@isisevrinen

That's just not true (like religion, I guess?).
Chickens sit on unfertilised eggs just like any other brooding bird

Show threadHollisJul 25, 2023
@juglugs Thank you. Anyone who has had chickens (like me) knows this!
Show threadKmac2025Mar 1, 2024
@juglugs @isisevrinen @juglugs @TerrorBite Eggs (along with milk and other non-flesh animal products) were allowed in 1941. By then, we could tell. The fast has changed over time, and now we know that unfertilized eggs aren’t flesh meat, and they were eventually allowed
Show threadTheriacJul 21, 2023
@juglugs
there was similar confusion about fish
Show threadJames HelfertyJul 22, 2023
@juglugs A beaver, a muskrat, and an alligator enter the conversation..
Show threadJuergenJul 25, 2023
@juglugs Actually that WAS the official Catholic position for several centuries...
Show threadCharlie StrossJul 25, 2023
@juglugs You know that per tradcath doctrine otters are fish? So you can eat otters on Friday. (What? They live in water and they swim so OBVIOUSLY—)
Show threadSkroJul 26, 2023
@cstross @juglugs even ducks were fish at some point. Taxonomy was never quite a thing in the Middle Ages Christianity...
Show threadsabikSep 3, 2023
@cstross @juglugs
Do unto otters as you would fish?
Show threadStefan SchollJul 25, 2023
@juglugs By the way: the Catholic Church is more progressive than most Christian churches in the USA.
I understand the joke, but it would be better to use some typical protestant church in the US.
Show threadarclightJul 25, 2023
@juglugs I'm not sure these are the people you want to trust for the biological sciences: https://www.iflscience.com/for-hundreds-of-years-the-vatican-has-classed-capybara-as-a-fish-67730
For Hundreds Of Years The Vatican Has Classed Capybara As A Fish

Unlike when California declared bees are fish last year, this was not for the capybara's protection.

IFLScience
Show threadEis Comics (Vic)Jul 25, 2023
@juglugs grins
Show threadTravelsOfTuxJul 25, 2023
@juglugs Apparently the classify a beaver as a fish too,
Show threadWiddershins Smith 🐘Jul 25, 2023

@gw6kwm

*Must resist childish, awful joke about smell*

Show threadTravelsOfTuxJul 25, 2023
@juglugs I only just thought about that, please resist
Show threadjpwkeeperJul 25, 2023
@juglugs All kidding aside, why no meat? And why does seafood not count as Meat?
Show threadWiddershins Smith 🐘Jul 25, 2023

@jpwkeeper

Economics. There simply wasn't enough meat to go around. So the churches said it was made-up beings telling people that they couldn't eat on Fridays.
Plenty of fish in the sea (then).
And these were uneducated peasants, so they didn't realise that fish were animals let alone meat...

Show threadLeftOfKarlMarxJul 25, 2023
@juglugs Also, you can eat beaver on Friday because it swims and is therefore fish.
Show threadMichael BaconJul 25, 2023

@juglugs

[me mumbling] the problem is that the origin of the Catholic objection to abortion is from Thomist "natural law" rather than "life begins at conception" which is more of the reactionary evangelical take and so . . .

[Everyone] SHUT UP NOBODY CARES

Show threadGutterDruidJul 26, 2023
@juglugs The majority of Americans who use religion as a reason to be pro-life are evangelicals, mormons, baptists, etc. They couldn't give a rats ass what the Catholic church says. Doesn't help when debating them.
Show threadyour auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦Oct 4, 2023

WELLAKSHOOALLEE @juglugs this is centuries old Catholic doctrine.

it's the white supremacist, replacement theory fascists that pushed for an alignment with the white supremacist, replacement theory protestants.

it's with the first breath that life starts because it's right fucking there in the Bible.... as well as many ways of inducing abortions.

yes, abortions are biblical.

life never started at conception for Catholics; until the fascists were paid off to push that nonsense.

Show threadhaliphax 👾Oct 5, 2023
@juglugs They thought so until the 70s
Show threadAlessio MaffeisOct 5, 2023
@juglugs CHICKMATE!
Show threadBrett Glass - WY7BGOct 5, 2023
@juglugs You're counting your chickens before... oh, waitaminnit.
Show threadTobias BarthNov 11, 2023
@juglugs What about Black Forest Cakes then - do they need to be vegan?
Show threadSFborn1940Nov 11, 2023
@juglugs Never try to apply logic to religion.
Show threadAviva GaryNov 11, 2023

@juglugs Not like that!

lol is so good

Show threadScott D. Strader 😐Nov 12, 2023
@juglugs Man this entire thread is the complete hot mess I really didn't expect for some reason.