Widdershins Smith 🐘Mar 5, 2023
CATHOLIC CHURCH: No meat on Fridays
PEOPLE: Ok so no eggs for breakfast
CC: No, eggs are ok
P: But eggs are chicken
CC: Not until they hatch
P: So the thing isn't the thing until it's born?
CC: Correct—um, no, wait.
Show threadEllenJul 21, 2023
@juglugs Eggs are not chicken if you eat them, because then they're not fertilized.
Show threadWiddershins Smith 🐘Jul 21, 2023

@isisevrinen

How do you know? Ok, today in a store they're not likely to be fertilized, but when the rule was made nobody knew if they were...

Show threadEllenJul 21, 2023
@juglugs Because the chicken will not sit on it. People knew back then too. If it's fertilized, the chicken will sit on it until it hatches. Chicken lay eggs all the time, just not all are fertilized.
Show threadgnaddrigJul 21, 2023
@isisevrinen @juglugs But if the farmer or whoever keeps the chickens takes the eggs away, the chickens won't sit on them anyway, fertilized or not?
Show threadEllen
@gnaddrig @juglugs Which didn't happen when the rule was made.
Jul 21, 2023 at 11:32amWeb
Show threadgnaddrigJul 21, 2023
@isisevrinen @juglugs Oh, but certainly people took and ate chickens' eggs before the church came up with this rule?
Show threadKmac2025Mar 1, 2024
@gnaddrig @isisevrinen @juglugs @juglugs @TerrorBite Eggs (along with milk and other non-flesh animal products) were allowed in 1941. By then, we could tell. The fast has changed over time, and now we know that unfertilized eggs aren’t flesh meat, and they were eventually allowed
Show threadWiddershins Smith 🐘Mar 1, 2024

@Kmac2025 @gnaddrig @isisevrinen @TerrorBite

And we now know that there are absolutely ZERO gods. None of the 4500+ gods recorded by humans have ever existed nor do they exist.
Therefore this is a moot point by charlatans exploiting the ignorant/stupid.

#ReligionPoisonsEverything #NoGods #antitheist

Show threadgnaddrigMar 1, 2024

@juglugs @Kmac2025 @isisevrinen @TerrorBite

"And we now know that there are absolutely ZERO gods. " - Do we actually KNOW, or do we just think that because it's much more plausible than for any gods to exist?

Don't get me wrong, I don't think any gods exist, either. But we can't know (or prove) that, just point to the fact that there is no meaningful evidence of any gods' existence, and Occam's razor would favour 'no gods' over any god.

Show threadKmac2025Mar 1, 2024
@gnaddrig @juglugs @isisevrinen @TerrorBite I mean really Occam’s Razor is a philosophical guideline, not an actual rule of logic. Overall, I might like his principle, but it would even be against Occam’s razor to say Jimmy moved this 500 pound refrigerator if Jimmy and ten and people moved it. Occam’s razor still needs all essential or necessary elements, which we would probably disagree on if God is.
Show threadgnaddrigMar 1, 2024

@Kmac2025 @juglugs @isisevrinen @TerrorBite
Sure, the razor doesn't get 'hard' results but helps evaluate situations where you have to make a judgement call.

Given that I can't prove or disprove the existence of any or all gods, I'll try to see how plausible the available positions are, and absent any personal revelations I find I need less assumptions/explanations for "There is no god" than for "God exists" (regardless of whether it's about any supernatural being at all or a specific deity).

Show threadgnaddrigMar 1, 2024

@Kmac2025 @juglugs @isisevrinen @TerrorBite

So, fully aware that Occam's razor doesn't provide hard facts or watertight solutions, I still come to the (personal) conclusion that I don't think any gods exist (except in the minds of their believers).

I don't seee a reason to follow religious rules for their own sake, and if "no fish on Fridays" is how most people in my area live, I can live with that (and wouldn't have a conspicuous barbecue on a Friday, either).

Show threadKmac2025Mar 1, 2024
@juglugs then you are simply admitting the logic in the meme wasn’t right, but are now shifting the discussion