I adore this comic by @elisegravel.

โ€œSo, yeah, YOU can be a scientist, too!โ€ #science #art #education

@Sheril @elisegravel I've always told people not knowing but wanting to know always made me a better meteorologist.
@Sheril @elisegravel I love her books, esp The Mushroom Fan Club! ๐Ÿ„ ๐Ÿ„ ๐Ÿ„
@Sheril @elisegravel well, there is that ONE guy who exchanged curiosity for narcissism: https://qoto.org/@TIR_scienceblog/110903908955619752
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@Sheril @elisegravel I discovered her work a couple years ago when I bought โ€œif found please return to Elise Gravelโ€ for my daughter. I love it and itโ€™s been so inspirational and freeing for Fiona.
@Sheril @elisegravel Curiosity is the foundation of all worthwhile achievements. Very cool little cartoon strip.
@Sheril @elisegravel Very cool. Also, scientists will never tell you "This [whatever] is absolute truth" but rather "From what we know thus far..." such and such. Science is in continuous evolution the same way we never stop learning (if we try). No wonder fanatics hate it.

@kikebenlloch @Sheril @elisegravel

Yeah, not to poop on what is a delightful cartoon, that might be the perfect thing for a kid to read to encourage them, but being willing to say "I don't know" and "I was wrong" seem even more science-y than having curiousity.

Although the most science-y thing might be to say "I don't know.", and then there's that gleam in the eye as they add "Yet".

@jztusk

I wholeheartedly agree that this is how science *should* work.

My experience is that it's a lot messier. There are people who believe they know the answer to everything in advance, who never admit to changing their view or having wrong intuitions. There are people who defend mistakes or quietly correct them, then claim recognition for having been right, and people doing amazing things and not being recognized...

...as in all other lines of work.

@kikebenlloch @Sheril @elisegravel

@Mr_Teatime @jztusk @Sheril @elisegravel Yeah, true, obviously reality is always imperfect but you know, I was focusing on science rather than specific scientists. Ego is a factor, also, a very important one. There are a lot of scientists with that problem, as there are historians or journalists. That's why it's crucial that people put their work first, not their love for themselves. If you genuinely try to give your best instead of what will make you look good, for me you're on the right track.
@Sheril @elisegravel German cooking traditionally focuses a lot on boiling things in water. As a result, there's a German saying that goes something like "They just boil with water everywhere. " Applies to science, too.
@Sheril @elisegravel Curiosity and sense of wonder, that's what defines a scientist!
PS: I particularly liked the fact that it is a boy the one asking for help with the math to a girl ๐Ÿ˜Š

@Sheril @elisegravel

... but to be a scientist, you have to be WILLING to be wrong, ask for help, admit you don't know everything and that you aren't a genius. You also have to be willing to do the hard work of continuing through til the research is done, not just til you're satisfied or tired of it or got an answer you liked. Not everyone has those qualities or is willing to learn them. Not everyone is, or can be, a scientist.

@Sheril @elisegravel
I love this, but it's a little ableist in an unusual way. "Some scientists are geniuses, but most scientists are people like you and me."

I know the intent isn't contrasting "scientists" and "people," but contrasting it with "people like us." It's just one of those situations where English can be imprecise.

(On the other hand, if someone's brain is sticking out of his forehead, maybe he's an alien!)

@Sheril @elisegravel What makes a scientist a scientist, is the usage of the scientific method.

Just being curious is of course important, but not enough to be scientific. Structuring chaos, isolating effects and identify causality, not just correlations is essential.

@Sheril @elisegravel I'd like to go ahead and plug the Letters to a Pre Scientist program. If you're a scientist who wants to communicate with kiddos, and help them see that anyone can be a scientist, I believe the program is still looking for volunteer pen pals.
@Sheril @elisegravel unfortunately, academia says otherwise ๐Ÿ˜”

@Sheril @elisegravel yup. this is awesome. i was a scientist for more than 20 years, co-author on over 30 publications, published in places like Nat Comms and Cell. three first authorships, Participated on a submission in which a childhood disorder was named for the first time.

and was never able to get into grad school bc my baccalaureate grades were not good enough. (it's not only when we were 'young' ;)

@Sheril @elisegravel one day it dawned on me, Hey, if scientists can admit theyโ€™re wrong, I can too.
@Sheril @elisegravel pure scientist propaganda. Everyone knows you can ONLY be a scientist when you have purchased a lab coat.
@Sheril @elisegravel
That pretty much describes engineers too .
@Sheril @elisegravel I'm not keen on plate 4 but can't articulate why very well. Otherwise, it hits the nail on the head.
@Sheril @elisegravel Curiosity is a prerequisite, and I'd say that a large part of formal scientific training is knowing how to find out (how to choose reliable sources & conduct experiments) and have confidence in the answers you find (reproducibility, minimizing bias, etc).
@Sheril @elisegravel This can set quite a dangerous president that would question scientists more often leading to people being more open to belief like flatearths. Remembering that becoming a scientist takes a lot of work to produce a work for science makes people strive to become better. Being contempt with oneself is surrendering and by attitude is the worst which can lead to suicide.
@Sheril @elisegravel I like that comic. I'm a scientist and everything is true for me. ๐Ÿ™‚
@Sheril @elisegravel
wow. I am directly gonna make some mistakes on purpose to see curiously what happens.

@Sheril @elisegravel

Itโ€™s actually a fascinating intersection between cultural representations of โ€œscientistsโ€, โ€œgeniusesโ€, social expectations and awareness vs self doubt in the context of fathoming oneself in either of the first two categories. No matter who the person is, science is always the first route if youโ€™ve at all got enough awareness to value the growth of awareness in the first place. Unless someone is misrepresenting science, every other choice equals less self-awareness. ๐ŸŒŽโค๏ธ๐Ÿฆนโ€โ™‚๏ธ