Stinky Cheese ManAug 12, 2023
Another Angry Woman

Hey anyone who uses #etsy, they are changing their terms and conditions so you cannot participate in class action lawsuits against them. You can opt out using these steps, but you have to do it before 23rd August 2023.

It applies if you have a profile there, whether you sell or not!

Aug 12, 2023 at 10:07amWeb
Show threadPaddy DukeAug 12, 2023
@stavvers How is this kind of shit even legal?
Show threadDCAug 12, 2023
@paddyduke @stavvers That is what I was thinking. How can a company's policies exclude you from legal redress? That's nuts.
Show threadNickAug 12, 2023
@Tanngrisnir @paddyduke @stavvers Thank the US Supreme Court for that little gem.
Show threadJerameeAug 12, 2023
@e3b0c442 @Tanngrisnir @paddyduke @stavvers
Companies do it all the time. For example, in arbitration, arbitrators find in favor of the company something like 90% of the time. Arbitrators that rule in favor of the individual are often blacklisted. So even arbitration clauses are a form of denying legal redress.
Show threadlynnAug 14, 2023

@Jeramee Yep. Snapchat's legal opinion is that 11 year olds are capable of consent, and they were able to convince a court to bind a ***child*** to arbitration.

The United States legal system is fucked.

Show threadJerameeAug 14, 2023

@lynndotpy

Wtf?
That goes against EVERYTHING you learn in contract law.

What's it called when corporations and the state merge?

Show threadlynnAug 14, 2023
@Jeramee Not sure what to call it but unfortunately it's true. https://madisonrecord.com/stories/622501604-arbitration-not-class-action-is-route-to-settling-youth-s-snapchat-privacy-dispute-seventh-circuit-rules
Arbitration, not class action, is route to settling youth’s Snapchat privacy dispute, Seventh Circuit rules

CHICAGO – U.S. District Judge David Dugan correctly enforced arbitration of a child’s class action claim that Snapchat violated the privacy of her face, Seventh Circuit appellate judges ruled on March 24.

Madison - St. Clair Record
Show threadJerameeAug 15, 2023

@lynndotpy
Ok, it's true that age a defense to the contract (K), that's why it should go in front of the arbitrator. Snap's atty says the kid ratified the K 3x, but the primary purpose of ratification is so kid's can access necessities (food, shelter, etc) when parents aren't there. Snap isn't a necessity.

I don't think the legal issue is difficult, and, given the propensity for arbitrators to side against individuals, the judge should have taken jurisdiction on this question, at least.

Show threadGayle J. Greenlea 🇺🇦🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️Aug 20, 2023
@Jeramee @lynndotpy Corporatism, which is an element of fascism.
Show threadJerameeAug 20, 2023

@GJGreenlea @lynndotpy

Exactly.

Show threadVirginia S. O'PossumAug 12, 2023
@Tanngrisnir @paddyduke @stavvers Quite a lot of employment contracts also confine you to arbitration for any redress.
Show thread잡색산작 Sittiparus variusAug 12, 2023
@Tanngrisnir Thank Sam Alito for that
Show threadLoy HenaAug 12, 2023
@stavvers
Thanks, I just did it
Show threadRicky NetzelAug 12, 2023
@stavvers ?,,we,ll look in2it.thankyouall💚✌️💙🖐☕️☕️🫖🍾🌏🌬🌊🌊
Show threadOwenAug 12, 2023
@stavvers It looks like this is just for users in North and South America? The equivalent for UK/European users is section 12 (tl;dr Irish law applies) and I don't think they can legally block arbritration here.
Show threadRealGene ☣️Aug 12, 2023

@stavvers
Here's a roadmap of what's ahead for them, courtesy of Cory Doctorow:

https://pluralistic.net/2022/02/24/uber-for-arbitration/#nibbled-to-death-by-ducks

Pluralistic: 24 Feb 2022 – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow

Show threadSofie 🇺🇦🇹🇼🇨🇦🇬🇱Aug 12, 2023
@RealGene @stavvers So you have to find enough users willing to potentially lose money, so that the legal fees for Etsy are big enough to go for a settlement instead. This all is a very strange legal practice from European perspective.
Show threadLunya  Aug 12, 2023
@RealGene @stavvers reading this put a huge grin on my face, it's always nice to see huge companies on their knees
Show threadAvi Rappoport (avirr)Aug 13, 2023
@RealGene @stavvers I wish them well “But then some clever lawyers noticed a critical flaw in the arbitration scam. Businesses have to pay the arbitrator, and that costs thousands of dollars per claim. If these lawyers could figure out how to streamline the arbitration process and file thousands of claims, they could cost businesses far more in fees than they'd ever have to pay in a class action settlement.”
Show threadIan Beeby BLAug 12, 2023
@stavvers Of note, the URL you mention is _not_ available if you use the Etsy app (at least on the iPad) - so you have to log in to the web page via a browser instead.
Show threadJaime HerazoAug 12, 2023
@stavvers
Of special relevance for mastodon.art users, pinging @welshpixie, let your peeps know
Show threadCalligrafaeAug 12, 2023
@jherazob @stavvers ta, boosted it :)
Show threadBen TaylorAug 12, 2023
@stavvers @garius Considering your usual boosts of small creators, who may well use Etsy, you might like to publicise this? I can't think banning users from class-action lawsuits can signal anything but a giant skeleton in the closet somewhere.
Show threadkingdomkreepAug 12, 2023
@stavvers the username shown on my profile url seems to be just jibberish . Anyone know a point where a username starts and ends?
Show threadmastodon quixoteAug 12, 2023
@kingdomkreep without seeing the url it's hard to be 100% sure but typically you want to stop just before a question mark, if there's one
Show threadkingdomkreepAug 12, 2023
@valrus yea it’s got that so I should be good then. Thx 👍
Show threadTappin LisaAug 12, 2023
@mjausson
Show threadADHDeanASLAug 12, 2023
@stavvers Pretty sure a company can’t prevent users from filing class-action lawsuits. That’s *exactly* the kind of thing class-action lawsuits were made for.
Show threadChrisAshtearAug 13, 2023

@adhdeanasl @stavvers everyone is doing it, microsoft, sony, etc.

Not sure if its been tested in courts.

Show threadchicatingAug 12, 2023
@stavvers OK, thanks.
Show threadComrade WeezAug 12, 2023
@stavvers Etsy is a sweatshop garbage fire. Trophy Housemate sacked them when they raised their percentage of the seller's price for the 4th or 5th time. She now uses madeit.com, an Australia specific makers' market that doesn't exploit knitters and crafters https://madeit.com.au/Main/Store?storeId=27644&userId=149232
Shelby With Altitude on Madeit

I have been creating wearables and show-off-ables since as long as I can remember. For my 16th birthday while all my friends requested a pony; I asked for a sewing machine. All these years later I still Pfaff about on my phabulous vintage machine. I am inspired to reclaim, recycle, upcycle, rescue and re-use. I purchase most of my materials from op-shops, thrift stores, markets, sale bins and out-of-the-way specialty shops. My goal is to use as much used, discarded and last-season yarn as possible. I wash everything in a wool mix and dry things in dappled sun. At present I am a little obsessed with knitting. I adore making socks. They are complex and require many needles and much counting. To successfully finish a pair is akin to solving a puzzle. I hope you like what I make. Shelby.

Show threadAT-AT Assault 🏳️‍⚧️Aug 12, 2023

@stavvers

Can you link the tumblr post for ease of copy pasting the things the post tells you to copy paste?

Show threadbassplayerAug 12, 2023
@stavvers Also their pricing structure is a bit too greedy. We went with shopify.
Show threadRichard W. Woodley ELBOWS UP 🇨🇦🌹🚴‍♂️📷 🗺️Aug 12, 2023
@stavvers
How is this even legal and why doesn't every business have a you cannot sue us if we screw you over clause in their contracts if it is.
Show threadAvi Rappoport (avirr)Aug 13, 2023
@the5thColumnist @stavvers In the US it’s allowed by the supreme court and many many companies have this clause in their contracts
Show threadWagesOfAug 13, 2023
@stavvers enshittification continues.
Show threadDiabetic HeihachiAug 13, 2023

@stavvers
@golgaloth

I'm just gonna drop this here all inconspicuously...

https://codeberg.org/MagpieMarket/magpie-market-prototype

@magpiemarket

magpie-market-prototype

Magpie Market aims to be a federated alternative to Etsy, allowing sellers to leverage the fediverse to sell their goods and services.

Codeberg.org
Show threadSebAug 13, 2023
@stavvers Curious to know what Etsy is planning to do in the near future, that makes them cover themselves like this.
Show threadlynnAug 14, 2023
@stavvers Important-- you also want to explicitly opt out of the class-action waiver.
Show threadMusiqueNow   ✡️ 🇵🇸 Aug 14, 2023

@stavvers

I think about the SAGAFTRA strike, the way contestants were badly treated on a reality show so that the bigwigs can make money, the way SHEIN treats its workers, the way Etsy treats sellers....what the fuck?

Surely, one makes more money by being decent than scumbaggish. But corporations, Hollywood, etc are so fucking greedy, they can't see that.

Show threadch0ccyra1n is leaving fedi soonAug 23, 2023
@stavvers
I wonder if @coopartisans might be where everyone moves to