Another Angry WomanAug 12, 2023

Hey anyone who uses #etsy, they are changing their terms and conditions so you cannot participate in class action lawsuits against them. You can opt out using these steps, but you have to do it before 23rd August 2023.

It applies if you have a profile there, whether you sell or not!

Show threadPaddy DukeAug 12, 2023
@stavvers How is this kind of shit even legal?
Show threadDCAug 12, 2023
@paddyduke @stavvers That is what I was thinking. How can a company's policies exclude you from legal redress? That's nuts.
Show threadNick
@Tanngrisnir @paddyduke @stavvers Thank the US Supreme Court for that little gem.
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Show threadJerameeAug 12, 2023
@e3b0c442 @Tanngrisnir @paddyduke @stavvers
Companies do it all the time. For example, in arbitration, arbitrators find in favor of the company something like 90% of the time. Arbitrators that rule in favor of the individual are often blacklisted. So even arbitration clauses are a form of denying legal redress.
Show threadlynnAug 14, 2023

@Jeramee Yep. Snapchat's legal opinion is that 11 year olds are capable of consent, and they were able to convince a court to bind a ***child*** to arbitration.

The United States legal system is fucked.

Show threadJerameeAug 14, 2023

@lynndotpy

Wtf?
That goes against EVERYTHING you learn in contract law.

What's it called when corporations and the state merge?

Show threadlynnAug 14, 2023
@Jeramee Not sure what to call it but unfortunately it's true. https://madisonrecord.com/stories/622501604-arbitration-not-class-action-is-route-to-settling-youth-s-snapchat-privacy-dispute-seventh-circuit-rules
Arbitration, not class action, is route to settling youth’s Snapchat privacy dispute, Seventh Circuit rules

CHICAGO – U.S. District Judge David Dugan correctly enforced arbitration of a child’s class action claim that Snapchat violated the privacy of her face, Seventh Circuit appellate judges ruled on March 24.

Madison - St. Clair Record
Show threadJerameeAug 15, 2023

@lynndotpy
Ok, it's true that age a defense to the contract (K), that's why it should go in front of the arbitrator. Snap's atty says the kid ratified the K 3x, but the primary purpose of ratification is so kid's can access necessities (food, shelter, etc) when parents aren't there. Snap isn't a necessity.

I don't think the legal issue is difficult, and, given the propensity for arbitrators to side against individuals, the judge should have taken jurisdiction on this question, at least.

Show threadGayle J. Greenlea 🇺🇦🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️Aug 20, 2023
@Jeramee @lynndotpy Corporatism, which is an element of fascism.
Show threadJerameeAug 20, 2023

@GJGreenlea @lynndotpy

Exactly.