"History will judge them harshly."
Do you really think that matters to them? They'll be long gone when History--which can't judge anything, it can only be recorded and people learn/remember what took place--"judges" them.
And it'll be too late by then anyway. And they don't care. At all.
Can we maybe choose a different phrase? Like, say, "These vile fascists are total assholes who are destroying democracy and need to be stopped STAT"? How's that?
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2/ IOW, History isn't a person. It doesn't "judge." People do, based on what took place and was recorded.
I find phrases like this to be a lazy way of calling out the bad guys. Just call out the bad guys, FFS.
And btw, again, the bad guys don't care one bit how "History" will "judge" them, esp. because "History" can't judge anything.
Sorry, rambling. I'm in a mood.
3/ Your replies have been great. But I apparently wasnât clear.
My gripes: The trite phrase âHistory will judgeâ: meaningless, lazy default (sort of like my other pet peeve, âAre you surprised?â). I was sharing my annoyance at attributing human qualities to a written record as if it were able to âjudge.â
WE should judge NOW, then VOTE.
Other gripe: those written up by historians will be dead/buried and donât care what will be documented.
I was NOT addressing fascism or how to deal with it.
4/ I was not addressing WHO will write history. I was ONLY addressing 1) my exasperation with the overused expression, the idiom âhistory will judgeâ, and 2) that those who want to kill democracy donât care about being judged now, and certainly wonât care once theyâre dead.
Those were my points.
Nothing broader than that. Really just a simple gut reaction to overused language.
Based on replies, I wasnât clear enough. My bad.
@Dgun8 Some took issue, others misunderstood my point, I think, even though their points were good ones.
And so many thanks. I try to reply, I miss so many or I get too swamped sometimes, but I try.
Exactly. That is not to say issues/crimes shouldn't be recorded for posterity, but the issue should be adjudicated and the responsonsible perpetrators penalized immediately. Assigning recognition/punishment to history is how we got here to begin with.
@Atticus1956 Oh, I wasn't suggesting that we shouldn't document, which I thought was clear, I hope? I was saying that history IS documentation, not human with an ability to judge.
And yes to the rest.
Another point: history is written by the victors, so if Trump and his ilk carry the day, history will sing their praises â or else.
@Leisureguy Oh, no biggie, I was just letting you know.
I always appreciate your feedback.
@GottaLaff it's essentially kicking the can down the road.
"In 100 years time I'll be proven right and they'll be proven wrong"
Doesn't really help right now though does it genius?
@ridetheory History cannot judge. That's my point. That's why I wrote the thread. Please reread it.
But I agree, it also can't sentence.
It's a panacea. Truly lazy and equally dismissive of the present reality.
People make judgments based on the history they are taught.
If history is not taught truthfully, then the value and knowledge of history is almost lost.
@AntonPNym History can't judge anything. It's not a person.
People judge. I find that phrase to be a lazy way to call out the bad guys.
@flyhigh Thanks. And History isn't a person, it cannot judge. People judge based on history.
I see that phrase as a lazy way to call out the bad guys. It's a pet peeve of mine.
To me it reads as "They're evil, but I'm impotent to do anything about it."
Which makes me wonder "Why the hell am I wasting time listening to you? Please point me to the people who are doing something.".
Ask Trump's flunky, Bill Barr, who in an interview asserted he did not care about future history (IIRC).
@GottaLaff
100% right.
These authoritarians want complete control and expect to write the textbooks. They are *not* concerned about history.
@TCatInReality Thanks! Plus, "History" doesn't "judge" anything. History is not a person.
People use that phrase lazily and it drives me nuts. If you want to say that people will be seen as the schmucks they are, say it. Don't lay it on inanimate "History."
@GottaLaff
I agree.
Just like they're not afraid of "the law" because they expect to write the laws.
The public needs to understand that " history" and "law" are not immutable, neutral facts. They are an exercise in power - and we must take greater care with who we invest with that power.
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Anti-Intellectualism Is Killing America
Social dysfunction can be traced to the abandonment of reason.
Key Points
* Ignorance, or an aversion to reason, has allowed things like gun violence and racism to define American culture.
* Anti-intellectual societies fall prey to tribalism and simplistic explanations, are emotionally immature, and often seek violent solutions.
* Corporate interests encourage anti-intellectualism, conditioning Americans into conformity and passive acceptance of institutional dominance.
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To summarize: Given that our government and cultures are controlled by a) capitalists and b) religious leaders...it's pretty much a given that ignorance and emotion are the driving forces in our society.
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IMHO "Donât let plutocrats destroy life on Earth" https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/23/dont-let-plutocrats-destroy-life-on-earth
&
"Donât Choose Extinction" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOcQRl9ASc
When it comes to the #ClimateEmergency - It is not hopeless & we, the people are not helpless! If we take individual action now - without asking anyone! https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/28/climate-crisis-emergency-rebecca-solnit-terry-tempest-williams
WE,THE PEOPLE, to save planet Earth, must become #EcoConciousConsumers https://www.thinkhousehq.com/features/climate-conscious-consumerism-what-is-it-and-how-do-we-do-it who actively mitigate global warming by our daily choices of: who we donate to, vote for, invest/divest/bank in; what we buy, eat, drive/pedal; to switch from gas to electric; to reduce, reuse, recycle; & consume less. https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2018/12/27/35-ways-reduce-carbon-footprint/
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My guess: Science was a tool used to increase profits so of course Capitalists embraced it. My fear is that at some point soon if capitalism falls, religion will once again have its time of power.
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True. The challenge for
for the future of democracy & humanity in this time of climate emergency and rising Fascism is somehow to educate & enlighten people that they have been deceived.
IMHO that means that we cannot depend on politicians or industry. Politicians continued employment depends on votes and money. Industry's continued greed depends on Capitalism and the influence of those politicians and deception of the public.
Therefore, the only solution I see is for us to inform the public directly of the truths regarding governance
and Global Warming by posting on social media directly to individuals.
With regard to the climate crisis, I believe that we should always use the term "Global Warming" & the fact that it is caused by greenhouse gasses (GHGs).
Every mitigation effort should be measured by it's reduction of GHGs.
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"the only solution I see is for us to inform the public directly of the truths regarding governance
and Global Warming by posting on social media directly to individuals."
The problem I see with this is that people who don't already accept it are refusing to accept it. Not accepting it makes them feel powerful, and that is encouraged by the media and leaders they follow.
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