This world is such a terribly wasteful place...

There's a video going around of an iMac being through into a pile or ewaste and setting off a chain reaction of iMac like dominoes.

Outdated policies prevent working PCs or parts from being donated to institutions who may have ZERO equipment.

These could have been used as media players, for educational games, or to teach others how to repair electronics. šŸ‘Ž Ugh

Link to video: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1683979879065214976

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ā€œTragic: A school shows some of the e-waste from Windows 11 not supporting older hardware. šŸ˜¢ā€

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@mac84tv This is before you consider the effect of MDM activation lock. Legitimately decommissioned Macs that could be reused simply can’t be. They don’t hold sensitive data any more, the encryption key has been thrown away. So the entire machine is ewaste because someone doesn’t feel like going into Intune to delete a few serials. It’s happening with currently supported Macs 😬

@kirb Yes, those are even more wasteful. Thankfully these are so old that none of that applies.

It’s a damn shame Apple doesn’t have some program where after 5 or 10 years those systems couldn’t be wiped and reclaimed.

@mac84tv Not to minimise your concern of course. More like I'm grateful that video is only an effect of that hardware being long obsolete, rather than because of a software lockout that’s become a big ewaste problem.

@kirb @mac84tv I think MDM and activation lock should have a timeout at the five year mark. Once the machine is old enough that it's not really worth that much anymore, allow someone physically present to wipe it and remove it from MDM.

It wouldn't be hard for Apple to implement, and would give these machines a possible second life.

THAT SAID, these Macs don't support being activation locked; they're too old. They're being trashed for no good reason.

@zorinlynx Yep, it would be great - their process already securely wipes data on the system.

But all they care about is selling new systems. Until the right pressure gets put on them, they have no reason to consider such a program.

@mac84tv I think regulation is the way to go. It’s not a whole lot that’s being asked either.

I understand the locking thing, as a theft thing. But why couldn’t Apple themselves open them and sell them? Just donate any profits to environmental charities.

If they don’t want to keep supporting old MacOS with patches, how about a law that says you have to either support hardware or release the specs?

Also any product a company make, the should be responsible to recycle.

@mac84tv Or they could even have continued to see productive use as Linux machines.

I hate the power that corporations have.

@mac84tv Apple not supporting older hardware aside, Linux could have been installed on all of these and all of them could have been donated. Such a shame.
@healthiswealth Exactly. Even if these were older PCs, assuming they weren’t full of leaky caps, there’s tons of opportunities to teach people basic electronics and engineering skills... which the world could use a lot more of.
@mac84tv environmental greenwashing feels like Apple's biggest sin. Their marketing is completely focused on the recyclable materials and green energy used to create new devices but very little about used devices and longevity. Lots of handwaving around obsolescence and reusability.

@mac84tv Reminds me of people smashing guitars on stage:(

Know what’s badass? (to borrow a phrase from the aptly named Mac from IASIP) Giving it away to someone that would love and cherish it.

(I know some fake it and actually trash a very cheap guitar over and over again and have the guitar tech repair it good enough. But it’s still so dumb, sends the wrong message.)

@mac84tv I saved a bunch of macs from a school's wastebins a few years back, including an imac like those*... It certainly feels wasteful, moore's law has slowed down to the point 2GHz machines are still usable.

* it was the ppc variant but hey, it still flies with sorbet leopard!

@Difegue @mac84tv I never heard of sorbet leopard before.
@thatKomputerKat @mac84tv Check it out if you have a ppc mac laying around! (https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/sorbet-leopard)
I've been surprised at how it really *does* improve performance on those old machines.
Sorbet Leopard Revision 1.5 - Macintosh Garden

Changelog Imagine if Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard was released for the PowerPC architecture.

@Difegue @mac84tv Q4OS is super lightweight. That'll run on nearly anything, and it's a modern Linux that will run current browsers. Plus, just because an old PC isn't a super responsive desktop experience anymore, nothing keeping it from being a perfectly serviceable server. Definitely better than a lot of Pi servers people keep running 24/7.
@Difegue @mac84tv * don't think it has a PPC build though :/
@mac84tv @ActionRetro While I was at Uni (early 1890s), a technician was tossing *loads* of Mac Classics / SE 30s into a skip. They were functional but being replaced. I asked for one. Was told ā€œnoā€. That was so wasteful. They could have given one to all of us in my year. But, no. Landfill.
@mac84tv I really would want to work in such a school to change the outdated policies.

When Windows 10 drops out of support October 2025, a whole lot of perfectly usable computers will become junk - unless their owners migrate to #Linux .

Let us lend a helping hand to those who are willing to!

@mac84tv

@mac84tv Capitalism working as intended.