Daniel Shinkle
Carl T. BergstromWhy is AI research so much sexier than education research? Sure it’s cool to study how machines learn but wait until you hear about PEOPLE.
David Colburn@ct_bergstrom $$$$$$$$$
tripleman, a 🇨🇦 in 🇩🇪@ct_bergstrom [in whiniest voice ever] But you have to pay peeeeeooople.
Tim Verstynen<cough><cough> psychology <cough><cough>
@tdverstynen Sure but I didn't want both the psych and education people mad at me.
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Giles Goat@ct_bergstrom There's the problem .. machines ARE learning, PEOPLE NOT ! 😂
BITPRINT AKA Evan Raskob@ct_bergstrom something something unions and teaching theories of state and corporate power
skua@ct_bergstrom
I note the apparent absence of government bureaucracies in the monetisation and implementation of much AI research.
And also that con-artists are widely perceived to be much sexier than researchers with strong public-good motivations.
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abhi@ct_bergstrom see that's why I think economics, psychology etc are much tougher subjects than rocket science or physics or mathematics.
In rocket science once you solve a problem, it stays solved.
Jeff Greene@ct_bergstrom Looking forward to them "discovering" educational psychology and naming it "generative human intelligence."
llewelly@ct_bergstrom
children have potential for independent thought, current machine learning systems don't.
we'll know artificial "general intelligence" is near when the income of machine learning researchers is reduced to match the income of school teachers.
robrykFor some people, because education research is research _on_ people, which requires treating them as research subjects.
For some others, because it requires confronting the same things that frustrate them when interacting with people: e.g. that one cannot assume literal meaning of what people say is what they mean, or that whether people get convinced that X is true is very path-dependent.
Andrew Perfors@ct_bergstrom It's okay, we cognitive scientists are used to not being seen as sexy 😂
Michael Baudis
Three plus or minus five@ct_bergstrom it’s simple to get a machine to learn. It’s nearly impossible to get a human to learn if they don’t want to.
Dave Ackley@ct_bergstrom pfft orady heard about people
Hammer Armada@ct_bergstrom people ask too many questions! ;)
Tushar Chauhan@ct_bergstrom LOVE this!
But their game is to say, what if we now use computers to make people learn. This way we combine two things we don't understand and create a third thing that no one understands. The cash-flow will definitely increase though because ignorant masses looking for 'just works' is great for business.
Dr.Implausible
It's the smell.
John Brewer@ct_bergstrom 13th amendment says corporations can no longer own people.
sqncs@ct_bergstrom because AI researchers don't have to deal with an IRB
MP@ct_bergstrom I imagine it’s because AI can be used to undermine the bargaining position of labor vs capital, but education strengthens it.
Eric VeyToo many "magic bullets" that turned out to be duds?
🅱🅻🆄🅴🅱️@ct_bergstrom how people learn is totally researched, and it's very sexy.
It's called advertising. 😂
Javi@ct_bergstrom Also AI is being used to do bad education research.