Dr. Holly Walters"Rishi Sunak will announce on Monday that he will CAP the number of students wanting to study "low-value" degrees."
Want to know what I think?
BVZpiranha"Courses will be capped that do not have a high proportion of graduates getting a professional job, going into postgraduate study or starting a business"
From now on, philosophy, language, religion, politics, and culture will be exclusively the purview of the very rich.
For everyone else, college is where you will acquire specific skills that you will trade for wages on the capitalist market. Nothing else.
Let's be clear. Those "low value" degrees are all the degrees were you learn how power works. How knowledge is made. Where hierarchies and ideologies come from. And why all of that is considered "low value" and by whom.
mediadude@Manigarm just like DeSantis in Florida!
Bob Blaskiewicz 🇺🇦 🇨🇦 🇬🇱That's what I thought the link was gonna be about.
Kevin Karhan 
@Manigarm EXACTLY!
It's a derogatory term pushed by anti-intellectual christofacists!
Jacqueline@Manigarm Yep. I went to school for criminal justice, because I wanted to be a cop - because I thought that was the best way to serve my community (being that I was a stupid teenager lol). Instead, I learned about how society, deviance, and social control *actually* work, and I learned about how the cops exist to serve the rich at the expense of the poor and marginalized. Doing that "low value" program turned me from a weakass wannabe-cop liberal to a committed anarchist and labor unionist. 100%
Wolleysegap@Wolleysegap Hell yeah. I used to be a delegate, once upon a time. Cofounded a GMB about 10 years back too.
Juju&Baba&Yoyo🌈@krypt_skiddy
Love this
Love this
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SearingTruthHistory records that some rich and powerful, when allowed, will even make lampshades of the working and poor's skin fellow citizen Dr. Holly Walters.
It seems there is indeed a concerted effort to erase the horrors of the past, so they may be brought back to life today.
So our future may depend upon compassionate human beings like you to deliver knowledge to as many as possible, in any way you can.
ST
"Knowledge is free.
It’s the certificate that costs."
SearingTruth
PrinceOfDenmark@Manigarm English Lit major here, with a concentration in Philosophy. It’s shameful how learning to follow the logic of an argument and how to express cohesive thoughts have hampered my professional development. 
az@Manigarm also maybe we wouldn't be drowning in fascist adjacent conspiracies if everyone had done some basic media literacy.
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Mike Knell@Manigarm Oxford's PPE course seems to have had a net negative effect on both the economy and the cultural life of the country for quite some time now, but I'm guessing that one won't get capped.
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Axel Foley@Manigarm considered low value by people of no value.
petros@Manigarm I hope you get rid of your low value politicians soon.
We finally got rid of ours here in Australia. They are from the same mould. E.g. made sure that my son's degree in IT is just half as expensive as my daughter's in arts.Excluded the unis from Covid payments.
What one does if one confuses education with being a snob.
GӨЯKY@Manigarm
Holy crap. Reducing #education from knowledge building to expertise building and then to skill building is a #capitalist agenda to produce more skilled workers. Every capitalist society tries to do this in some way. But this one sounds too blatant an attempt..
Holy crap. Reducing #education from knowledge building to expertise building and then to skill building is a #capitalist agenda to produce more skilled workers. Every capitalist society tries to do this in some way. But this one sounds too blatant an attempt..
Joanna Czechowska@Manigarm Degrees which teach critical thinking.
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Creating a worker class and a thinking analytical counter culture.
Creating a worker class and a thinking analytical counter culture.
Gen X-Wing@Manigarm This is why we can’t have business people run government, as they only value money and never value humans.
Cairo Braga [toot]@Manigarm this is grim. the UK is trying to compete with the US to see who reaches full Nazi status first.
JulieB@Manigarm As if we are here only to be functioning producers for someone's profit, not actual human beings. Only the rich will have that privilege. 😔
🕹️🕹️🕹️8/16/32bit 🕹️🕹️🕹️@Manigarm straight from the Fascist/Far Right playbook.
I have a "low value" degree. It didn't get me a job, but it did prepare me for the world. Have me insight on how hierarchies work. Gave me confidence in my skills that have been applicable in the workplace.
Ehud@Manigarm this should be put on bumper stickers. Can I at least put it in my email signature?
CJ PalomaYou wrote:
"Let's be clear. Those "low value" degrees are all the degrees were you learn how power works. How knowledge is made. Where hierarchies and ideologies come from. And why all of that is considered "low value" and by whom."
I wish I could like and boost this far more than once. It's so true.
The Doctor@Manigarm Can I quote you on that?
Martin Escardo@Manigarm They are also the degrees that teach us where we came from in this incredible human journey, in which culture, (pre)history, philosophy, science, engineering, and more, shouldn't compete, because they are just the product of what we are and have been for millennia.
deilann v -0.2.1. 
@Manigarm also how to understand and break down arguments, recognize rhetoric, apply critical thinking skills... all things bad for tories
Grumble@Manigarm The ruling-class track will be named 'Alpha'.
The government-approved track will be named 'Beta'.
Charlies and Deltas are trades and service-industry.
And a reminder: Government-issued soma is MANDATORY, people.
maiamaia@Manigarm I spent decades in cults, and always marvelled how, in all the different ones, education in science & maths, & sporting achievement, was always lauded, but academic achievement in the humanities was treated as suspicious and criticised. Thinking about this constant coincidence, it dawned on me that it was the criticism of power structures that made them hate it.
EaterOfSnacks@Manigarm That line about knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing is virtually a rule of government.
MissWillmottsGhost
Chris Purcell@Manigarm media studies was always the punchline degree in the UK (once saw a toilet roll dispenser in a public toilet with "media degrees, take one" written above it) but so many problems boil down to media illiteracy/poor public understanding of the media.
Sylvie Pool Alvarez@Manigarm Mic drop! 👏👏👏💜
Zolan Quobble@Manigarm the irony - a Tory defining 'low value'.
It's like that joke from the education minister, 'Rt Hon' Gillian Keegan MP saying out loud "you can't rob Peter to pay Paul".
To qualify as a minister a total lack of self awareness is the first essential.
It's like that joke from the education minister, 'Rt Hon' Gillian Keegan MP saying out loud "you can't rob Peter to pay Paul".
To qualify as a minister a total lack of self awareness is the first essential.
@zolq I'm getting a sense that they're only calling them "low value" because they weren't paying attention in class.
Jencel Panic@Manigarm That's like the argument that women make less than men because they tend to work "low-stress" jobs, like teacher and ER nurse.
Bevan Thomas@Manigarm It's telling that various totalitarian regimes have put more funding into educating their population in the sciences but have taken away funding for education in the liberal arts.
@bevanthomas It is, and in a few ways. Capitalism demands profit (in the form of patents or sellable results) or workers; which it prefers to be had cheaply. Hence, education is reimagined by totalitarian Capitalist States as something that should either produce Capital or produce Labor. The liberal arts reveal and challenge both.
LadyLaClaire@Manigarm I’m still sorting through articles. Could you please share associated article links please?
@LadyLaClaire Which links are you looking for? The Guardian article I mentioned is linked in the first post.
@Manigarm could you share that one again please? I didn’t make it back that far in the conversation and it didn’t show in my feed for some reason.
@LadyLaClaire Sure. Here you go!
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Air Adam@Manigarm which is really jarring because, as my sadly departed father used to point out, universities were never supposed to be job training schools.
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levampyre@Manigarm Oh dear, that's horrible. 😞
Pablo Martini@Manigarm probably for the best the way rates for trades work & the scarcity of skilled workers = a better salary than the white collar & so called "educated" can attain! The power will be back on the hands of the many!
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Francis ☑️@Manigarm two things from this - inevitable outcome has to be a levels being restricted in order to ensure there isn't a glut of English a-levels failing to obtain uni places
Simplistic PPE economics might expect market forces to balance supply and demand of students with each degree... So this intervention is a repudiation of simplistic market arguments that some in his party espouse.
Simplistic PPE economics might expect market forces to balance supply and demand of students with each degree... So this intervention is a repudiation of simplistic market arguments that some in his party espouse.
Zoë Turner@Manigarm I suspect the measurement of success is also based on a short time scale, as in just after graduation, which is a flawed approach.
I studied Philosophy and entered the job productive world of analysis and data science over a decade later with many colleagues also having studied languages and English Lit.
I studied when computers weren't that usual so you could even say Philosophy was preparing me for a future job that didn't exist 😁
Alon@Manigarm I don't get this - PPE is a sought-after program and its graduates become the generalist British elite. How are those supposed to be the low-value degrees? (I mean, *I* think they have low value because they generate glib ignoramuses, but glibness has high earning power in London.)