Ben ThorpJul 15, 2023
Herzleid
No, website, I do not want to "Learn more" or "Review my settings" or "View details", I want a "Reject all" button right next to the "Accept all" in the cookie consent window. That's what I want. Only that.
Jul 11, 2023 at 3:41pmWeb
Show threadHerzleidJul 16, 2023

I love how this resonated with a whole bunch of y'all, but it was an in-the-moment throw-away toot mostly meant to be funny. Thus, there is no need to

- suggest browser extensions for privacy/rejecting cookies
- explain that hiding Reject all violates EU law
- explain how websites & cookies work
- explain how tracking is the real problem.

To all Reply Guys: Stand down. Your brothers have already made every obvious point I did not need explained to me. There is nothing left to say. Go in peace.

Show threadOz is tiredJul 11, 2023
@herzleid There's always a reject all button. It's the cross next to the tab name. With zero cookies, there's nowhere to save your cookie preference.
Show threadJohannes ✔️Jul 13, 2023

@oz @herzleid the cookie to disable asking for preferences is valid as "required cookie for the functionality" (legitimate use) and has no personal information, thus doesn't require consent.

A simple way to reject all rejectable cookies is also mandated by GDPR and proven by some court cases. It's just a slow process to sue all offenders.

For a start see item three in this report:
https://edpb.europa.eu/system/files/2023-01/edpb_20230118_report_cookie_banner_taskforce_en.pdf

Show threadOz is tiredJul 13, 2023
@johannes @herzleid So far, I have not experienced that a clients legal department has had the view that some cookies are essential for site operation and not require consent. But I'm looking forward to seeing this mess sorted out, the document you linked has all good points. It's a big difference between a site remembering your filter settings and a site sending your data to Facebook.
Show threadHerzleidJul 13, 2023

@johannes Your reply to an exasperated toot that is really about me wanting websites/companies to just stop doing evil shit and being sneaky about it, is … to throw PDFs from an EU task force at me as a solution, when I did not ask for one?

My dude, you are missing the point.

Show threadAndy HerdJul 11, 2023
@herzleid the dangers of adtech capitalism and the case for a law to make a “fuck the fuck off” button just as prominent. In this TED talk about the systemic inadequacies of regulatory bodies I will…
Show threadHerzleidJul 11, 2023
@herdingdata 🤭
I've always been a staunch supporter of Fuck the Fuck Off buttons!
Show threadEmily SJul 12, 2023
@herzleid and sure as heck not a "maybe later"
Show threadHerzleidJul 12, 2023
@Emily_S The centrist both-sides asshole option indeed 😠
Show threadAranjedeathJul 12, 2023
@herzleid literally the minimum legal requirement
Show threadcharlagJul 12, 2023
@herzleid might be a good time to remind folks that Consent-o-matic exists
Show threadHerzleidJul 12, 2023
@charlag It has been suggested, along with several others, but I don't like that they pick "accept all" if they can't find a reject option. >.> Like, I don't mind the popup so much as the dark pattern shenanigans, and if it's accept all only, I want to *know* and make the decision myself, not leave it up to some extension and never be the wiser. 😑
Show threadcharlagJul 12, 2023
@herzleid I didnt know that! I thought it only has preconfigured options
Show threadHerzleidJul 12, 2023
@charlag It's been a while since I tried CoM specifically, maybe things improved since (it used to get stuck and require input if no straightforward "reject all" option was present, which annoyed me more than seeing the original popup). All the other extensions suggested in this thread prioritizes "remove the popup" over "reject all" and I'd rather not use a website at all than accept all cookies without even realising it.
Show threadDagnabbit, Pascaline! 💥Jul 30, 2023

@herzleid
Yes, that's what I then usually resort to as well.

@charlag

Show threadSam McGowan 🦀🎶Jul 12, 2023
@herzleid What I hate is when you click "Reject Cookies" and a progress bar appears labeled "updating your preferences". You legally are not allowed to store cookies without my consent, let alone send them to so many third parties that it takes 30 seconds to retract them.
Show threadMartin HamiltonJul 12, 2023
@herzleid I can't help but read the cookie notices in an imploring Gollum voice now... "What has it got in its pocketses? We wants the precious data..."
Show threadHerzleidJul 12, 2023
@m In psychology, I believe they call that type of behaviour a "defense mechanism". 🙃 🤭
Show threadKeith J GrantJul 12, 2023
@herzleid @zachleat The Ghostery browser plug in now has an “always reject cookies” option now that seems to work pretty well so far
Show threadSteve TorrenteJul 12, 2023
@herzleid But without viewing the details I won't be able to see those slider buttons that don't say which way is on and which way is off.
Show threadDr. Sam WeinJul 12, 2023
@herzleid
My big pet peeve is "required cookies". Dear website, this is my computer, I own it. I get to choose what data gets stored in it, and what my CPU cycles do.
Show threadDr. Sam WeinJul 12, 2023
@herzleid
A related anecdote. Back in college, when I first got serious about using #Linux I came to the realisation, that while windows task manager stopped you from ending any process it didn't want you to end, Linux's `sudo kill -9` would end anything you pointed it at, including the `init` process. This of course promptly would crash the computer, but it was a great feeling to have the machine do what I said, even if it was self evidently a bad idea.
Show threadDr. Sam WeinJul 12, 2023
@herzleid
Sometime in the intervening period the Linux kernel was patched, so that you can't kill init. Which is of course a sane and reasonable restriction, but it does feel like losing a little bit of control.
Show threadBrian AllredJul 12, 2023
@samweingamgee @herzleid Reminds me of this classic:
Show threadThomas BroyerJul 12, 2023
@herzleid Which, fwiw, is the UI actually mandated by the GDPR (it should be as easy to reject than it is to accept)
Show threadEric CarlisleJul 12, 2023
@herzleid : I hear you, but I’m surprised how different this opinion varies globally. I think that EU GDPR set a lot of this in motion worldwide. Though I’m thankful for it, I sometimes feel the same way as glossing over a user agreement on a software install.
Show threadOborosaurJul 12, 2023

@herzleid or just, you know, don't use any cookies. Then there's no dialog at all.

Every website where I am not participating in authentication or authorization challenges has no reason, that benefits me, to use cookies.

Show threadmarcoroboticsJul 12, 2023
@herzleid but they *need* your permission, and they're going to get it, whether you like it or not 😂😂😂😂😂
Show threadphoebeJul 13, 2023
@herzleid It's so wild to me that "Learn more" is sometimes the button I have to hit to reject the tracking
Show threadHerzleidJul 13, 2023
@phoreverphoebs Innit though? They just do whatever they can to confuse and mislead and make you accept all. 😒
Show threadComesaJul 13, 2023
@herzleid Technically it is required by the GDPR.
Also the "Do not track" option must be respected.
Show threadComesaJul 13, 2023

@herzleid
> Accept and reject buttons need to be equally conspicuous. You must ensure that you offer an equal opportunity to say “yes” and “no” to cookies
https://www.uniconsent.com/blog/reject-all-button-cookie-banner

> In the context of the use of information society services, and notwithstanding Directive 2002/58/EC, the data subject may exercise his or her right to object by automated means using technical specifications.
https://gdpr-info.eu/art-21-gdpr/

Reject All button at cookie banner for GDPR in each country

Do I need a Reject button on my cookie banner? How to add Reject All to a Cookie Banner

UniConsent
Show threadHerzleidJul 13, 2023
@comesa Yes, exactly. That's kind of my whole point. 😄
Show threadMary BranscombeJul 13, 2023
@herzleid actually, I want to have to go find a button to turn on cookies if I DO want them; it can be bright red and on every page and it can say MAKE THIS SITE BETTER but it shouldn't be the default
Show threadHerzleidJul 13, 2023
@marypcbuk Amen.
Show threadPeter BlokJul 13, 2023
@herzleid Including those for Legitimate Interest please. To stop the RSI caused by flipping all those flipping switches.
Show threadEric G.Jul 14, 2023
@herzleid I also do not, under any circumstances, want your shitty 'newsletter'
Show threadHerzleidJul 14, 2023
@ericg co-fucking-signed, amen.
Show threadJulie WebgirlJul 15, 2023

@herzleid

I expect a trap door to open everytime I do run into one and click it!

Show threadGandalfJul 15, 2023
@herzleid I'd rather have a browser plugin to block those annoying cookie popups.
Show threadSam Easterby-SmithJul 15, 2023
@herzleid @hobbitswife I want no cookies and no fucking popup.
Show threadHerzleidJul 15, 2023
@sam Valid. ✊
Show threadChris HaynesJul 15, 2023
@herzleid I want one that means "Only add a cookie that remembers that I don't agree to any others" and works across all of that domain's sub-domains, for ever.
Show threadReiner Jung 🇬🇱 🇺🇦 🇪🇺Jul 15, 2023
@herzleid As it is possible to build websites without cookies or at least with only a session cookie, trackers should be off by default.
Show threadHerzleidJul 16, 2023
@prefec2 Don't tell me, tell the websites and predatory companies.
Show threadReiner Jung 🇬🇱 🇺🇦 🇪🇺Jul 16, 2023
@herzleid I do. Usually I get an excuse as an answer which clearly shows that the person sending the reply has not bothered with either reading my mail or reading the response template to check if it really fits. So my other approach is to tell people, cookies and track images are not necessary to implement webpages in the hope they complain too. Maybe I should write politicians about the issue and get as many of my fellow EU citizens to follow suit.
Show threadOlivier MenguéJul 16, 2023
@herzleid No. "Reject All" is the only option that matters, so just don't ask me and stop tracking EVERY visitor.
Show threadFish Id Wardrobe ⁂Jul 16, 2023
@herzleid Firefox's "Privacy Badger" is set to reject all dodgy cookies here, so, it doesn't matter what the damn site says. :D
Show threadFelixJul 16, 2023
@herzleid 💥
Show threadWimJul 16, 2023
@herzleid 100% they keep trying to make it as hard and as slow as possible for users to turn off tracking. I use Firefox Focus on Android solely because it allows me to ignore and just accept, knowing it will be wiped after I close the tab. But I can't wait for the EU to mandate accessible reject all buttons.
Show threadwithoutclassJul 17, 2023
@herzleid the poor cookies will never know they're going to live alone in an isolated temporary tabs forever :'(
Show threadPaul Wilde  :dontpanic_nobg:Jul 17, 2023
@herzleid I once clicked "Reject cookies" and the modal changed to say "saving preference... please wait" and took about a minute to do so

yeah, let's try getting people to accept cookies by introducing a minor inconvenience if they reject them, that'll work


needless to say I didn't use the website
Show threadHerzleidJul 17, 2023

@paul Oh yeah, or worse, the "Updating preferences …" overlay, and you're all like …

O.o ...you're not supposed to have saved anything about me *until I have consented* you data-sucking sleezeballs.

Show threadEcosaurian 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Jul 19, 2023
@herzleid
I'd settle for a mandatory "Reject All" button instead of all the hoops (which instantly kill my interest in using a site), but I'd far rather they stopped trying to data rape me with every click and just got rid of cookies altogether.
Show threadbillheywoodJul 24, 2023
@herzleid
Yes, that should be compulsory
Show threadMarc HaberJul 25, 2023
@herzleid Actually I want my browser to send my preference for cookies and the web site to honor that preference without bothering me over and over again.
Show threadBenjamin SchröterJul 25, 2023
@herzleid @Der_Lichttechniker I want a website that just don’t uses any cookies
Show threadfilobusJul 30, 2023
@herzleid the problem is, it ends up that I reject all to sites that behave fairly, and, out of patience, accept to those sites that hide that choice
(I try my best to reject those too, but their strategy somewhat pays for them)
Show threadDagnabbit, Pascaline! 💥Jul 30, 2023
@herzleid You just brought back a rant i wrote last year and I was worked up then, and am again now 😂
So, yeah; absolutely. I like that the Aljazeera website does this: allow all, reject all, or edit prefs. The Guardian & Reuters: please follow their lead.
Others even pop up a window in which you have to expand multiple sections and uncheck them. I nowadays tend to think 'Nah...' and close the tab.
Show threadJonasAug 1, 2023
@herzleid I do you one better: I don't want cookies, so make your website privacy friendly and don't add cookies to your website, so you don't need a consent window.