With the recent moves from #Twitter, #Reddit, and even #Youtube, I think it’s becoming clear that ads are not a sustainable business model in the long run (and yes, I know I run a YouTube channel funded by ads 😅)

I took a look at a few examples, at how this decline is also making the web worse for everyone, at alternative platforms, and tried to imagine what an internet without ads to fund content creation and big platforms could look like:

https://youtu.be/NdTLj-xcqGM

The AD-BASED internet is DYING, and it's getting WORSE in the process

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@karbuziran Yeah, but like I say in the video, if I only had Peertube, I couldn’t make as many videos, at least not as a day job. With a “real job” instead, I’d make maybe 1 video per week tops :/

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Of course the money made from the ads and views feeding the algorithm there really is an important income-factor as long as there is no better alternative (yet).
This will probably continue until the whole #degrowth and #GreenGrowth/#GreenReGrowth has been happening and our global #Economy has been "re-designed" - either voluntarily or by force of "circumstances".  

So, we'll see where all this is going and as long as you can deal with it morally, I think it's 👍 ❕

@karbuziran Can’t wait for the change to happen!

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🤔 Not sure we'll still see it happening in our Lifetime ... or what this will mean for the Planet    🧐

But, as the saying goes:
"#Hope is the last to die!" 

Gianmarco :archlinux: :kde: (@[email protected])

Random 2AM tought: I feel like eventually there's gonna be a day when most major #BigTech companies are going to suffer something super bad related to advertising or some shit like that and they're all gonna have financial issues and downtimes and all kinds of crazy stuff. Sounds pretty stupid when I type it out here because I suck at explaining things, but it just feels real and perfectly possible in my head.

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@thelinuxEXP I don't understand why Ad providers are so much fixated to show personalized Ads...
Most of them are crap (at least for me), the biggest example being Amazon suggesting things that I've already bought earlier...
No, I don't need 100 pieces of the same thing.
I'd instead prefer that you show me related Ads to the content that's present on a specific web page... Google crawlers already know what the page is about, so the Ads can be served without an Ad profile at all...
@thelinuxEXP Qu'est que tu as comme montre ? Avec toute cette gesticulation, on voit pas. T'as du sang italien 😂😂 En tout cas le bracelet nato à l'air vraiment sympa 👍
@supersarma Haha ouais mes (anciennes) racines resurgissent 😂 C’est une Tudor Ranger !
@thelinuxEXP Having ads on sites pushes visitors away thus making it a horrible experience and with adblockers being killed off slowly I agree with your thoughts totally mon cher ami..
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Just watched, great content as usual.
Above the all mentioned companies that run proficts through ads, Meta seems to be untouched by this decline. Why do you think it is so? Is it possible that their ads targeting is more effective because it's better integrated with teir platform content? (For example, advertisement videos that look like reels on Instagram?)

@pH3ra Meta is losing tons of profit since privacy laws were voted, and since Apple basically blocked tracking in iOS apps. They’re still making money, but their business has taken a big dive!

I think they have a critical size that allows them to make it work, but for how long?

@thelinuxEXP @pH3ra Just wanted to point out that Apple also has a huge ads business their trying to push. Apple is often shown by many "a-list" journalists as a hero, but Apple also wants to make money
@thelinuxEXP Seems legit. So do you think Meta opening yet another social network (Threads) is more like a gamble for more profit rather than a well thought financial move?
@pH3ra I don’t think they have a plan apart from « once people use it we’ll sell ads in there », since they collect enormous amounts of data from Threads!
@thelinuxEXP Being real, I just miss when profanity and music were things that weren't up to question. It has an effect no one really acknowledges critically because most have sort of just resigned with a "it is what it is". At worst it's basically gutted the quality of some shows on YouTube. And all in the name of ads!
@thelinuxEXP This is a good video and I mostly agree with the three outcomes. One minor point is that I believe the loss of professional media could exacerbate the disinformation/misinformation system as bad actors in that space are not operating for profit and they would then have free reign to spread their message without a strong and professional response/debunking.
@reflex Institutional or governmental propaganda would definitely thrive, yeah

@thelinuxEXP I'd add conspiratorial organizations like anti-vaxx orgs would do well also, they don't raise their money on subscriptions or advertising.

Edit: Please don't misread me, the corporate run internet is a dumpster fire and does a bad job with those things as well. I'm not saying we are better off today, only that getting rid of them does not necessarily solve those problems.

@thelinuxEXP With the drastic measures these companies have pulled just so that consumers can buy advertised trash, I personally do not care if adblocking is considered "piracy" at all. That is not an ethical way to earn money. Go earn money through other means.
@thelinuxEXP Those ads you run are definitely small fish compared to other revenue streams. Makes sense that ads are dying and subscriber sponsorship and federated social media is growing in its place

@thelinuxEXP Well, the Youtube auto-ads that is 👀

I think there's something to be said about how people aren't necessarily against advertising (for better or worse). When it's intrusive and untargeted (with targeting necessarily meaning invasion of privacy) people aren't interested.

But running a sponsored segment in your video gives YOU directly more money (and not a dodgy revenue share scheme) and directly targets a product to an audience that'll be receptive to it.

@thelinuxEXP There are a lot of interesting comments here. But hey: Stop talking and head over to https://www.patreon.com/thelinuxexperiment/posts if you want to see that kind of content in the future 
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@thelinuxEXP haven’t watched it yet, but someone on Mastodon told me about this kind of money through views thing that never really got anywhere.
@thelinuxEXP There’s a distinction to be made between ads. There’s the ads that people (like you) get in direct sponsorship, because they’re in the video/podcast/etc, and there’s the “ad tech” ads stapled on to websites, videos, or podcasts by clever machines. I think the latter is what’s under actual threat. The former will only grow, because people like you are incentivized to make ads that don’t drive away their viewers. I pay for YT Premium, but I still see your ads.

@thelinuxEXP hey Nick, I liked the video but one big part you're leaving out is that these businesses are not just wanting to keep profitable. They have shareholders to appease, and they want everything to be more profitable year over year.

It's no longer a matter of having enough ads to keep the company afloat and make some revenue, nowadays it's a squeeze for maximum profit over everything else.

Both users and content creators are just a resource for them to exploit for as much profit as they can: content creators bring in the views, but they are as much cattle as the viewers.

@thelinuxEXP I think (hope?) that in the future the content creators will cut the middleman and start doing the distribution themselves so they will be dealing with advertisers/sponsors directly.

So in your case, you'd be getting "your own" Peertube and your revenue could come from insertions instead of pre-rolls, or "gated" content for subscribers.

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I also hope that we will see an easy way for consumers to set a monthly budget and just split among all those creators that we want to support.

You mentioned Odysee (which I think is crap) but one project that I think could do this was Brave and their BAT token. With the Brave model, users get a share of the revenue from ads, and they could (theoretically) pay it forward to the content creators. Because the first revenue is in USD, the price of the token doesn't really matter.

@thelinuxEXP this is a really good video on the state of things! I’m definitely sharing it around. I know plenty of people who don’t understand ads pay for things on the “free” internet.

I really don’t mind paying for things in a subscription model for the stuff I rely on. Though I’ve come to find that some content creators want to charge A$10+ a month for their content, which I get but I can’t afford to do that for all my creators I follow the currently do it. It is hard to want to support people but also have (most) everyone asking for $10 or more a month.

It's interesting to see how the #adRevenue system works better in our collective imagination than in reality. That reminds me that system rests on #surveillance #capitalism. If you haven't read it yet: "Surveillance Capitalism" by Soshana #Zuboff
Thanks for the video @thelinuxEXP.
I would have loved to have more info on the #nebula model: a creator cooperative with a paid gateway. #Creator that have either with ads or shorter version on free access aggregator.

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It's pretty unfortunate that a lot of awesome creators will lose their jobs as a result of this. And that the web itself will turn crappy as a result.

That said, I also look forward to people finding a new revenue model. One that isn't privacy invasive or obtrusive. Maybe sponsorships will get more popular, maybe subscriptions will get more popular.

Hell maybe something entirely new may also come up.

@thelinuxEXP Honestly that’s sadly been the case for a while. I think YouTube and Reddit will start charging fees just to access sites, due to the exclusive mountain of info they have.
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I love Internet, but the state of things on the Web is not very promising, to be honest: - people don't pay for stuff with money - there's no free lunch, stuff has to come from somewhere - software devs and service providers have to resort to ads to get money to keep the lights on - ad industry devours software and services alive Mozilla/Facebook deal is not THE disease, it's a symptom.

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@thelinuxEXP Might want to check out floatpane (from the crazy Canadian), might be an option? As for giving even one dime to Youtube/Alphabet, that's something I'll never do, so I signed up for your patreon instead, just leave my name of the end credits, that's cringe :P

@AmonTheMetalHead They only seem to take on bigger channels, they denied me 3 times already 😂

Granted it was a while ago, and the channel had grown a lot since then.

@thelinuxEXP can't hurt, I've got no idea which tubers are big or small out of those I follow :)
@Nick @ The Linux Experiment In Germany there was some years ago a political discussion about a "cultural flat rate". It came from NGOs like Chaos Computer Club:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulturflatrate
Kulturflatrate – Wikipedia