Okay, so some observations after a week of social media turmoil:

- A LOT of #LawTwitter people (including a fair number of law profs) migrated to Bluesky last weekend.

- It appears that many of them already had invite codes but didn't use them until Twitter melted down (again).

- Related: At least one of my friends noted that during the last Great Migration (November) they weren't really sure Twitter would implode, so they weren't ready to jump (or fully jump) quite yet

- To my mind, the last point means that what we saw in some quarters wasn't so much a rejection of the fedi as much as a timing/perception issue

- So, depending on what happens over there in the future, those people may ultimately be persuadable to try the fedi (or try it again)

- But, for now, the mass of people over there creates an undeniable gravitational pull for law people

- To be clear: I still believe in the fedi and strongly prefer Mastodon to Bluesky as a platform

- But I think it's worth thinking about why people are making the choices they are making now

- To that end, I haven't seen any law friends saying that search or quoting are what make them prefer Bluesky.

- Instead, I've heard more about timing (see above) and perceived difficulty of onboarding.

- I've also seem comments to the effect that some people just want a place where they can scroll a bit and find interesting content, without taking the time/energy to build up a follow list. No judgment here; just observing the different preferences

- And as I've observed in some quarters before, I think we're seeing fragmentation based on what people liked about The Old Place. And IMHO, that's fine. People want to deride the fedi as "the library"? Cool, I'll chill here with the people who think that's an enticing description.

@design_law I'm not a particularly vocal person and I've only been on Mastodon for a couple days, but I'm enjoying the feel of what I've found so far.

I hope you and others like you keep doing what you're doing. There are surely more like me that appreciate it, even if we're not particularly noisy about it.

@kcdixon Thank you for saying so. And welcome!
@design_law IMO the fact that Nazis don't hang out at the library is a pretty good endorsement of the place.

@design_law Things do seem to be fragmenting, with folks finding their own groups in various spots.

But for those of us who surfed all over Twitter, in law and science and tech and weather and politics and dogs and local news… well it feels like you can no longer find it all.

A couple of months may make things clearer.

@design_law The people looking to not follow anyone should really learn about the local and federated feed where you peek at posts from accounts who other people are following.

Also, following hashtags can deliver lots of content without having to follow anyone.

Then there is the absolute explosion of Lemmy / KBin, so now you can follow a few communities / magazines and receive more posts and comments than you can read in a single day.

I should also give a hat tip to @icymi_law, because following that account routinely shows me interesting posts that I might not see otherwise.

Good job @Colarusso!

@tcely thanks. I agree with @design_law’s observations, and this thread has made me think I should post there about @icymi_law, maybe update the ICYM Law webpage and start linking to it. 🤔

@design_law on that last point, I seem to remember old-twitter claimed that a significant percentage of people never switched from the algorithmic "for you" feed.

Don't understand that preference myself, but it's been clear for awhile that content discovery is a big blocker for many people.

@thatdosbox @design_law

Most of us didn't know you could switch off the "For you" algorithm, saw it and forgot, or got lazy and never followed up. 🤷‍♂️

I've never lacked for content on Mastodon, but I set up an account on one of the main instances that I use to surf the local and federated feeds and followed a LOT of accounts early on. It meets my needs, such as they are.

@design_law In my experience people instantly check out once you try to start explaining the concept of “multiple servers” to them. Even if you use an eMail analogy or whatever, they find it way too complex. That’s why I would recommend that they should just select mastodon.social and all go there and pretend like “that is Mastodon”. They can always learn about the details later and move if they ever wanted to, but they don’t need to be burdened with all of that up front.
@hachre Yeah, I think that's right
@design_law also the ability to quote post is a big draw for a lot of people.
@EllieMargolis @design_law one thing I find funny is that when I try other platforms I keep realizing how much a ❤️ the edit function here.
@Colarusso @EllieMargolis Funny you mention that. I was never someone who was agitating for an edit button on the birdsite but now that I've gotten used to it, I really miss it elsewhere.
@EllieMargolis I can see that. One thing that's interesting to me is how we've all become more sophisticated users in the sense that we have a stronger view of what's really necessary in a platform. For me, it's lists (or some other meaningful way to control what I see outside of a simple follow-not follow binary), for others, it's QTs or search or something else.
@design_law yes, lists are important to me also. I am missing them on Bluesky but I think there are few enough people there that it isn’t a huge problem yet.

@design_law I have used the search function pretty regularly on BlueSky and hope FT search eventually shows up here. While I don't prefer BS to Mastodon, this is a quality of life feature I miss here.

Quote Retweets over there seems to be feeding a lot of the dunking that contributed to some of the toxicity on Twitter and has given me a better appreciation for the Mastodon devs' aversion to QTs, bearing in mind it's productive uses.

@design_law I think it's absolutely comfort and convenience. Mastodon and the fediverse might be out of some people's comfort zone due to the sign up process and not understanding how instances work. But I wish more people would give it a try as signing up here is free
@design_law The choice they appear to be making is to jump on Threads. And it's scaring Elon Musk shitless...
@design_law Have certainly seen a lot of "waiting to see where things land" - ie. where everyone they know is going.

Although Threads is going to draw a lot of people in for this reason I suspect that LawTwitter's gravitation towards BlueSky makes sense given the reduced friction of signing up compared to the alternatives.

I could be making judgemental assumptions here... but I'd guess that having an Instagram account or at least following the same people on Instagram as on Twitter is probably pretty rare for people in LawTwitter. Similar to how a lot of science people I follow on Twitter don't have Instagram accounts or if they do it's unlikely that I'm following there because it's not where they post their science content.

- Threads is out, because they'd have to make an Instagram account, phone number, name, Facebook, all that malarkey. (Though also not being able to filter to your followers would also make discussing legal topics here undesirable anyway, so that may also be a factor)
- Mastodon is out because they had a look earlier or heard all the complaints during November and it's exhausting to even think about.
- That leaves BlueSky, invite code from a friend, email and password. Bam, you're on. Similar experience as what you're used to, no messing around with servers.

Certainly has been interesting to see how things have been landing though... what a mess.
@benjamin Yeah, I suspect you're right. I guess we'll see how things shake out.
@design_law Well at least the shake up has resulted in me following people that I'd probably never have discovered otherwise. Beekeepers to design law, my twitter feed was nowhere near as interesting...
@design_law Thanks for the insights. I do wish the search/discovery functions were better over here. I think many people value usability and functionality over data privacy at the end of the day.

@design_law

This view may be obnoxious to most lawyers, so give me a good reason to believe otherwise...

I've contended that the necessity to be able to defend either side of a legal issue, in law school, removes the metric of morality for academic purposes. And regardless of the personal ethics qualifications to graduate & enter the bar, the sense of the propriety of a morality is never academically reinjected.
The same moral dispassion is being used in the selection of social media sites. The migration is not toward sites that reflect common community morality (i.e., away from sites that cater to inflammation, extremism, and creating bigotries), but toward those that provide the most extensive professional opportunity.

In short, I think there are many businesses that give little thought to the strength of good media leadership and reasonable conversation, in deference to profit, of which lawyering is one.

@skydog @design_law

Absolutely, 100%. I think the same & think you nailed it.

@skydog Okay, well, I don't think I need to "give [anyone] a good reason for anything" but, as a legal educator, I'd like to respond. Are you a lawyer? Did you go to law school? If so, then your experience was very different than mine. Teaching people to see and be able to articulate different sides of arguments is not the same as teaching them that all sides are morally equal or "removing morality" from anything.
@skydog As far as choices in online platforms go, I don't agree that this is mostly (let alone always) what's going on. A lot of people I know and like from #LawTwitter are under extreme time pressure, from billable hour requirements, pre-tenure stresses, family obligations, or numerous other things. It's easy to understand why they'd prefer something easy without attributing anything nefarious to them.
@skydog One reason I've tried to build something here is because I've recognized that I have sufficient privilege to do so. I have time, energy, and tenure, among other advantages, and I want to use them for good. Those of us who want to make this place work should focus on building this place up, with empathy and kindness towards those who we hope might someday join us here.
@design_law @skydog I'm glad I found you on here. You might one of the few reason I'll keep a Mastodon account.

@design_law

I've no law school experience. There were a couple of 'law for commanders' courses I had to take (and was mediocre in), but the issues there were skew to what I brought up here. I've known a number of lawyers, most excellent people, but a couple of which have been disbarred, and I'm drawing from conversations with and observations of those individuals. Thank you for a comprehensive reply.

@design_law Are there really "a mass" of people on BlueSky given their invite policy...? I think #LawTwitter would be much better served on a focused Mastodon instance.
@design_law imo, one thing that fedi has as a long term draw over other centralized services is that organizations or clubs or looser common community interests can setup their own instance. Eg. A newspaper has a strong interest in their own instance, as perhaps might groups like lawyers, artists, scientists etc.
@metaphase Yeah, we've seen some of that already in law, with the lawstodon and lawprofs instances. I'd love to see more of it.
@design_law it’s speculation, but little tech affordances in community instances might be draws too. You can see some of that in photo posting groups, but for law, I don’t know maybe auto expansion of case reference links or something small